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Old 04-27-2009, 08:51 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I can't tell if that plate is set up for bearings? I know the SE camplate for 07 and newer models has bronze bushings in there - does anyone know if the part number above is for use with bearings or is there a self material bushing area like the stock 07 and newer plates??

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Yes as you can see below the plate you are referring to [HD# 25284-08] does indeed take bearings in the outter cam journal area. The only reason to run this "particular" cam plate is if one is "married" to their current cams and they desire to run with the new styled oil pump. One should realize that much of the previous failures with the old style tensioners was attributed to the design of the older styled "morse" / "hy-vo" chain. The jury in my opinion will still be "out" determining how successful one might be with running with this set up.

CLICK HERE: HD# 25284-08Screamin' Eagle® Hydraulic Cam Chain Tensioner Plate Upgrade Kit

25284-08 Hydraulic Cam Plate
BILLET MATERIAL
FITS '99-'05 Dyna® models, '99-06 Touring models, and '00-'06 Softail® models.

Runs Hydraulic Cam Chain Tensioners For The Outer Roller Chain/Primary Cam Drive Chain Inclusive Of The New Outer Roller Chain/Primary Cam Drive Chain HD#25675-06 Which is Made Differently Than The Previous OEM HD# 25610-99 "Morse" Chain, New Rear Camshaft Drive Sprocket 34T HD# 25728-06, New Crankshaft Sprocket "Pinion" 17T HD# 25673-06, & New Outer Chain Tensioner/Primary Cam Drive Chain Tensioner HD# 39968-06

Runs The OLD PREVIOUS OEM HD# 25607-99 Inner Roller Chain/Secondary Cam Drive "MORSE" Styled Chain , BUTTTTTTTTTT WITH NEW Inner Chain Tensioner/Secondary Cam Drive Chain Tensioner HD# 39968-06, Which REMOVES the Apprx 40lb Spring Pressure Created By "OLD" STYLE HD# 39964-99A Chain Tensioner. THUS THIS ALLOWS ONE TO HAVE 2 Of The 3 NEW Componets Of The Hydraulic Set Up On (The INNER SIDE OF THE CAM PLATE). Which Is That Oil From The NEW OIL PUMP Provides That The "Tension" Is Controlled Via Oil Pressure Which Remains "Virtually" Constant While Also Using The New HD# 39969-06 Inner Chain Tensioner/Secondary Cam Drive Chain Tensioner As Just Mentioned.

Outer Cam Journals Are Running A HD# 8983 Rear Roller Bearing And A HD# 8990A Or A 6004 Front Cam Ball Bearing
Inner Cam Journals Are Running In Two Torrington/Timken B-148 Needle Bearings

Installation requires separate purchase of Spacer Kit P/N 25285-08.

INCLUDES NEW OIL PUMP HD# 26037-06

MSRP US $429.95 -20% Discount HD Dealer = $344.00

Screamin' Eagle® Cam Chain Tensioner Spacer Kit
25285-08
MSRP US $17.95 -20% HD Discount Dealer = $14.50

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Old 04-27-2009, 09:57 AM   #17 (permalink)
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sorry...still have questions

Okay, that all makes (some) sense. Why on earth wouldn't they use the new roller chain on the inside as well?
According to the parts list provided by andrews for their conversion cam upgrade, you use the stock HD cam sprockets, except for the crank sprocket. So does this mean that the new roller chains use the same sprockets as the old silent chains? Couldn't you just buy a roller chain for the inside and use it with the new SE plate, new hydro tensioner and old sprockets? seems pointless to use the old chain. thanks again.
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Old 04-27-2009, 04:11 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Okay, that all makes (some) sense. Why on earth wouldn't they use the new roller chain on the inside as well?
According to the parts list provided by andrews for their conversion cam upgrade, you use the stock HD cam sprockets, except for the crank sprocket. So does this mean that the new roller chains use the same sprockets as the old silent chains? Couldn't you just buy a roller chain for the inside and use it with the new SE plate, new hydro tensioner and old sprockets? seems pointless to use the old chain. thanks again.
An inner roller chain would require a "Conversion cam" to work.
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Old 04-27-2009, 04:31 PM   #19 (permalink)
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jonny oz~

It's understandable to read how you might be confused. HD doesn't use the new "regina" styled chain on the inside of the SE HD# 25284-08 because the SE cam plate is designed to run your current cam which is ground differently from the new cams that are ground differently where the "regina" chain would attach to the cams...this makes sense right?

If you are willing to purchase new cams and you are willing to run an Andrews cam then you have another alternative you can go to Andrews website and look at the NEW "N" version of cams which are ground to work with a B148 inner cam journal size bearing or .875" sized torrington bearing and will be ground to match up appropriately with the "regina" styled chain. Thus allowing one to run a complete conversion kit this entire set up will cost around $700.00 which would be inclusive of new "B" lifters as well. This kit would allow you to run the new 06 dyna or 07+ touring, softail, dyna cam plate which only retails for $78.00, + the new oil pump, + the new styled chain tensioners both on the outside and inside, + the newly ground "N" cams which Andrews has ground which will fit into the new styled cam plate.

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Old 04-27-2009, 05:19 PM   #20 (permalink)
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okay, I get it now. thanks everyone.
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