0.003 pinion runout : V-Twin Forum: Harley Davidson Forums

fatboy69 · 02-13-2009, 11:00 AM

Measured with the cam plate off. May have to go with a conversion kit and replace the oil pump as well.

Any thoughts on the better kit? The SE plate and pump combo or the Andrews conversion kit?

Also, does anybody know of any on-line vendors for the Andrews kit? Thanks alot.

jasilva · 02-13-2009, 12:12 PM

I checked on the SE plate a while back. The consensus I got was it wasn't worth the money for most builds compared to the stock plate.

Andrews lists all the parts you need for a conversion on their website. They don't sell the parts as a kit, you have to order them from a dealer. They also don't list the bolts for the hydraulic adjusters to bolt to the camplate, you'll have to look those up yourself. I lucked out when I built mine and had the correct bolts in my spares.(they are 1/4"-20). You can order all the parts you need including the cams from Zanotti's HD online at 20% off or somewhere in this forum is a reference to someone that will put it together in a kit and send it to you for about $75 more than the Zanotti price.

Joe

jasilva · 02-13-2009, 12:16 PM

I just noticed you had 37 cams already. Gear drive? The downside to the Andrews conversion is you'll have to buy the cams also. The SE camplate comes in two flavors. Original style set up for the new oil pump and New style for the roller chain/hydraulic tensioner with new style oil pump.

Just curious, why are you tearing it down? .003 runout isn't great but it shouldn't be causing any problem.

Joe

DDuess · 02-13-2009, 12:17 PM

The April issue of Rider Magazine has an ad on page 12 that leads me to believe that Andrews now offers a kit. The ad alludes to a kit including a new style pump. Says to call or go to the website.

route66paul · 02-13-2009, 12:22 PM

I would go with the new setup hydraulic cam tensioners. If you had an 02, with the Timkens, you would be fine, but .003 is the max for a gear drive, if you get more runout, it will be too far off. Your oil pump should be fine, put a baisley spring in there and make sure the tensioners are ok, button it up an go another 20k.

fatboy69 · 02-13-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jasilva

I just noticed you had 37 cams already. Gear drive? The downside to the Andrews conversion is you'll have to buy the cams also. The SE camplate comes in two flavors. Original style set up for the new oil pump and New style for the roller chain/hydraulic tensioner with new style oil pump.

Just curious, why are you tearing it down? .003 runout isn't great but it shouldn't be causing any problem.

Joe

Worn tensioner pads and while I am in there maybe go to a better system and oil pump.

fatboy69 · 02-13-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by route66paul

I would go with the new setup hydraulic cam tensioners. If you had an 02, with the Timkens, you would be fine, but .003 is the max for a gear drive, if you get more runout, it will be too far off. Your oil pump should be fine, put a baisley spring in there and make sure the tensioners are ok, button it up an go another 20k.

Paul would you say go with SE setup or the Andrews kit for the Hydraulic Tensioners? Thanks

SLPER · 02-13-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by fatboy69

Paul would you say go with SE setup or the Andrews kit for the Hydraulic Tensioners? Thanks

What's the sprocket shaft say?
Mine was 0.0025" on the pinion, but nearly 0.010" on the sprocket shaft.

Cheers

fatboy69 · 02-13-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SLPER

What's the sprocket shaft say?
Mine was 0.0025" on the pinion, but nearly 0.010" on the sprocket shaft.

Cheers

Don't remember if I measured the sprocket shaft but I am assuming it is worse being further out.

SLPER · 02-13-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by fatboy69

Don't remember if I measured the sprocket shaft but I am assuming it is worse being further out.

There's minimal difference on either side length wise.
Dollar to donuts you didn't measure that side....It's not as easy to get a surface to take a reading from while still installed.

Cheers

fatboy69 · 02-13-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SLPER

There's minimal difference on either side length wise.
Dollar to donuts you didn't measure that side....It's not as easy to get a surface to take a reading from while still installed.

Cheers

Yes If I remember correctly, with the plate installed, it was almost impossible to get the pin on the shaft without the guage interfering. What would the correct reading be, with the plate on or off?

fatboy69 · 02-13-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SLPER

There's minimal difference on either side length wise.
Dollar to donuts you didn't measure that side....It's not as easy to get a surface to take a reading from while still installed.

Cheers

There is also no noticeable wear on the bushing in the cam plate.

Are you a Leaf Fan or Sens Fan?

SLPER · 02-13-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fatboy69

There is also no noticeable wear on the bushing in the cam plate.

Are you a Leaf Fan or Sens Fan?

Any scuffs on the stator? My pinion shaft bushing looked good also..

Cheers

fatboy69 · 02-13-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SLPER

Any scuffs on the stator? My pinion shaft bushing looked good also..

Cheers

Just checked with cam plate on....really close to 0.003 again, maybe even a hair less. Pump and everything else looks like new. Would you try to run gears with this?

rob71458 · 02-13-2009, 05:33 PM

There is really no advantage to using gear drive in your set up, and with .003 run out you are asking for trouble. That .003 is the max. limit and chances are it will increase over time. I have been there and Unless you are going to tear it down and true/weld your crank, then I would purchase the parts needed to go to the 07 and up hydraulic chain set up with an 07 and up oil pump. Harley also makes an SE camplate for 07 and up, if you feel you need it.