twin cam B lifters? : V-Twin Forum: Harley Davidson Forums
» Sponsors

» Insurance
Go Back   V-Twin Forum : Harley-Davidson Motorcycle Forums > V-Twin Performance Forums > Twin-Cam Engine Mods
New User? Register Forgot Password

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-12-2008, 08:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
FNG :)
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: lancaster, california
Posts: 7
ourglide wants to know Dino or Syn?
Angry twin cam B lifters?

i have a 2003 electra glide, 26G andrews gear drives, i has alot of lifter noise, the stock lifters have 27,000 miles on them.It is fine when cold, at operating temp sounds like a bag of marbles. i have been reading alot about "B" lifters on this site, will these make this normall sounding, what is the difference between the "A" and "B" lifters, can i get a P/N#....I am taking to the shop to re-adjust the valves to see if will quite down, it has 100 miles since cam swap...looking for a solution...Thank you....
ourglide is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 08-12-2008, 08:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
Lifetime Premium
 
nighttrain67's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Middle Tennessee
Posts: 482
nighttrain67 wants to know Dino or Syn?
The stock harley B lifter is a very good piece. You should not have a "bag of marbles" sound with those, or any lifters especially with a mild cam such as the 26G.
__________________

2002 NightTrain 117 inch
R&R Stage V Heads (83cc), JE Flat Tops (11.5:1), TR650G Cams, Delkron Cam Plate, Fueling Oil Pump, S&S Roller Rockers, "B" Lifters with limiters, Rivera Brute III Extreme, Mik. 48/Wood Air Cleaner, D&D Black Low Cat, Baker OD6 "R" Ratio, .80 OD
nighttrain67 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2008, 09:37 PM   #3 (permalink)
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: MI
Posts: 66
2002classic wants to know Dino or Syn?
The stock lifters in your 2003 are "B" lifters. The part# is 18538-99B. Hope this helps.

Roy
2002classic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2008, 09:39 PM   #4 (permalink)
Premium octane member
 
TXCHOP's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Downstate NY
Posts: 7,380
TXCHOP wants to know Dino or Syn?
Unless your backlash is wayyyy loose,p-rods are rubbing, or any other clearance issues, having the shop preload the lifter .140 with some good, non piss thin oil should do it. Oh and the "b" lifters.
__________________
S&S T124

Last edited by TXCHOP; 08-12-2008 at 10:15 PM.
TXCHOP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2008, 10:17 PM   #5 (permalink)
FNG :)
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: lancaster, california
Posts: 7
ourglide wants to know Dino or Syn?
Wink

Quote:
Originally Posted by TXCHOP View Post
Unless your backlash is wayyyy loose,p-rods are rubbing, or any other clearance issues, having the shop preload the lifter .140 with some good, non piss thin oil should do it.
Thanks for your help ( everybody) I will have the shop check this.
ourglide is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2008, 11:06 PM   #6 (permalink)
Seasoned Wrench
 
razorsedge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Oklahoma City
Posts: 503
razorsedge wants to know Dino or Syn?
When you go back to the shop you might ask them what the total crank run out was on your bike. If they can't tell you then you probably should have other concerns. As Txchop said, make sure and set the pushrods preload at .140. If you bike has more then .003 run out, it is not advisable to use gear drive for cams. Too much noise.
__________________
2008 Ultra Classic
CAMS, TMAX AT, AN BS, Rhinehart TD
2003 Softail Deuce
95" SE Flat Tops 9.8:1 comp
Woods TW6G w/ Torrington bearings
SE Performance Heads by GMR
(80cc) (.030 Cometic) (190 CCP)
Tech Cycles 1.4kW Starter
02 guage SUMAX cables
10/84 Evolution Industries Ring/Pinion Gears
LMR-2 Baisley Spring
V/H HS Propipe
DTT ignition (custom map)
SE Coil
HD Oil Cooler
S&S Super E (28 intermediate & 72 main)

I refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death.
razorsedge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2008, 09:08 AM   #7 (permalink)
Seasoned Rider
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Hayward Ca.
Posts: 87
pig pin wants to know Dino or Syn?
I have a 2002, 26g. Bought the b. lifters and still sounds like what you describe. Doesn't mean it wont work for you.
pig pin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2008, 01:22 PM   #8 (permalink)
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: southaven,ms
Posts: 306
hodawwg wants to know Dino or Syn?
Quote:
Originally Posted by pig pin View Post
I have a 2002, 26g. Bought the b. lifters and still sounds like what you describe. Doesn't mean it wont work for you.

I have a 03 FXST. It was doing what you are describing, so I had it checked out and found the run out was very bad. Going to send
the crank out to be rebuit and will send the case for th timken bearing upgrade.
hodawwg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2008, 03:57 PM   #9 (permalink)
Seasoned Rider
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Hayward Ca.
Posts: 87
pig pin wants to know Dino or Syn?
I have also had my bottom end done and still sounds that way.
Not trying to discourage anyone! Lots of noises in these bikes.
pig pin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2008, 08:03 PM   #10 (permalink)
Highly Seasoned Rider!
 
newultraclassic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Sacramento County, California
Posts: 4,884
newultraclassic wants to know Dino or Syn?
If you have the original non-adjustable pushrods, noisy lifters are generally a sign of low oil pressure.

If you have adjustables, it can mean that the pushrods are improperly adjusted and/or that the engine has low oil pressure.

You might want to do the standard oil pressure test as shown in the service manual. You will need a known-good oil pressure gauge and it will need to be connected to the oil pressure port on the right crankcase near the oil pump filter adapter.

I had noisy ifters on my 2004 Ultra TC and I installed the Latus-Baisley relief spring and that cured the problem.

My 2 cents.
newultraclassic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2008, 08:15 PM   #11 (permalink)
IronButt
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: nc
Posts: 168
fastroadking106 wants to know Dino or Syn?
alot of good key points here a short sum of them is frist check oil presure (hot),Check to see what the oil looks like hot if it runs like water change it for good oil, then crank runout and also inner cam gears and outter cam gears backlash they do make larger dia. gears if you have too much lash alot of shops do not check this part close enough in om opinion I would len towards that is were your problem is I have seen it many times
fastroadking106 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2008, 11:23 PM   #12 (permalink)
Lifetime Premium
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Portland Oregon
Posts: 493
cts1950 wants to know Dino or Syn?
I was plagued with engine noise. It started after doing a 95 upgrade on my 99 ultra. I always thought it was the tw6 cams and it was normal. When I did the upgrade I stayed with the chain drive for money reasons but put in new lifters which were the A lifters just because the originals had 30K on them. I put up with the noise because I thought it was normal and just got used to it. Well this spring I completed a 103 upgrade to the same engine. This time I went with the tw6hg cams and woods bee hive springs. And B lifters just to be safe. Well it was not, I hated the sound of my engine. The noises would come and go and at different rpms I was getting discouraged that I had made a mistake in building this engine. It wasn't lack of oil pressure I had 50 psi at anything above idle. Well yesterday I read a post talking about the changes in lifters over the years and discovered I had taken out the best lifters at the beginning of my motor modifications. The A and B lifters are delfi manufactured small block chev lifters. The original 1999 lifters were made by Johnson Hy lift built especially for the twincam engine. For some reason Harley quit using them and the A and B were added to the original part number. I got inspired last evening and took out the B lifters and took them apart and compared them to the A lifters and the original 99 lifters. The 99 had a much larger inner piston inside the B was larger than the A. The internal valving was much different in the 99 I would say more complex than the delfi. Well I installed the 99s back into my 103 build and I have to say what a difference. It is a completely different sounding engine now it no longer sounds like it is going to come apart at rpms over 2500. I wont say it sounds like a BMW but it is now becoming a joy to ride. More info on the evolution of the lifters can be found at this web site.
http://www.automotivemachine.com/harley.htm
cts1950 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2009, 10:27 AM   #13 (permalink)
IronButt
 
HugoBetz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Sebring, FL
Posts: 274
HugoBetz wants to know Dino or Syn?
Quote:
Originally Posted by cts1950 View Post
I was plagued with engine noise. It started after doing a 95 upgrade on my 99 ultra. I always thought it was the tw6 cams and it was normal. When I did the upgrade I stayed with the chain drive for money reasons but put in new lifters which were the A lifters just because the originals had 30K on them. I put up with the noise because I thought it was normal and just got used to it. Well this spring I completed a 103 upgrade to the same engine. This time I went with the tw6hg cams and woods bee hive springs. And B lifters just to be safe. Well it was not, I hated the sound of my engine. The noises would come and go and at different rpms I was getting discouraged that I had made a mistake in building this engine. It wasn't lack of oil pressure I had 50 psi at anything above idle. Well yesterday I read a post talking about the changes in lifters over the years and discovered I had taken out the best lifters at the beginning of my motor modifications. The A and B lifters are delfi manufactured small block chev lifters. The original 1999 lifters were made by Johnson Hy lift built especially for the twincam engine. For some reason Harley quit using them and the A and B were added to the original part number. I got inspired last evening and took out the B lifters and took them apart and compared them to the A lifters and the original 99 lifters. The 99 had a much larger inner piston inside the B was larger than the A. The internal valving was much different in the 99 I would say more complex than the delfi. Well I installed the 99s back into my 103 build and I have to say what a difference. It is a completely different sounding engine now it no longer sounds like it is going to come apart at rpms over 2500. I wont say it sounds like a BMW but it is now becoming a joy to ride. More info on the evolution of the lifters can be found at this web site.
http://www.automotivemachine.com/harley.htm
Is there any truth to this? Are the original lifters produced from 1999 to 2002 the best of the three types produced by HD?
__________________
2000 FXSTB-98"-Dan Vance heads-Andrews 37G and S&S gears-R&R cam plate-HD HV oil pump-Baisley pushrods-Mikuni 42MM HRS-Dynatek Ignition module-Python exhaust-TP Pro Vent rocker box-Hillside tune
2007 Electra Glide Ultra Classic

Two tours in Afghanistan
Army Corp Of Engineers
HugoBetz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2009, 12:25 PM   #14 (permalink)
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Montreal
Posts: 189
buddyrm wants to know Dino or Syn?
Quote:
Originally Posted by HugoBetz View Post
Is there any truth to this? Are the original lifters produced from 1999 to 2002 the best of the three types produced by HD?
Yup I have to agree, the Hylifts are the best. Changed mine when I had a B lifter fail on my 2006 road glide. Swapped them for the A2313S from HyLift and could not be happier. Got them from parts4powertoys.com. They have them for all engines models and year for Harleys.
buddyrm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2009, 03:34 PM   #15 (permalink)
IronButt
 
nw_guy4_fun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Tacoma, Washington
Posts: 4,231
nw_guy4_fun wants to know Dino or Syn?
Just a few random comments
You have B lifters the latest revision unless you have changed to another. Use them. If you have a lot of miles on them change them out
Try different preloads
Be sure the pushrods are not rubbing in the tubes. Look for witness marks.
Oil pressure only needs to be ~5# to fill a lifter, the lifters are not hydaulic jacks just cushioned take up devices.
The valve spring pressure is??? The gear lash is ?? The crank runout is ??
All potential issues.
nw_guy4_fun is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:11 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
(C)2001-2012 V-twinForum.com All Rights Reserved (C)2001- V-twinForum.com All Rights Reserved
Motorcycle News, Videos and Reviews
Honda Grom Forum Harley Davidson Forum Honda 600RR Kawasaki Forum Yamaha R6 Forum Yamaha FZ-09 Forum
1199 Panigale Forum Roadglide Forum Honda CBR1000 Forum Vulcan Forum Yamaha R1 Forum Yamaha R3 Forum
Ducati Monster Forum Harley Forums Honda CBR250R Forum ZX10R Forum Star Raider Forum Yamaha Viking Forum
Suzuki GSXR Forum V-Rod Forums Honda Shadow Forum Kawasaki Motorcycle Forum Star Warrior Forum KTM Duke 390 Forum
SV650 Forum BMW S1000RR Forum Honda Fury Forum Kawasaki Versys Forum Drag Racing Forum Ducati 899 Panigale Forum
Suzuki V-Strom BMW K1600 Triumph Forum Victory Forums Sportbikes BMW NineT Forum
Volusia Forum BMW F800 Forum Triumph 675 Forum MV Agusta Forum HD Street Forum Suzuki GW250 Forum
Yamaha Motorcycles Victory Gunner Forum Honda Vultus Forum HD LiveWire Forum