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Old 04-13-2007, 09:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I could use some help. Can anyone tell me what time I should calculate for a three point fluid change and r&r of both wheels for a tire change with the ballance to be done elseware? This is on an 04 Road King. Thanls Jim
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Old 04-13-2007, 11:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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LOL. 6 quarts (4-1-1) 3 good fluids and filter = $50. Tire mount and balance both $50 at good indy, shop around. Service manual $40, good for life. Labor, by you...free. Experience, sense of accomplishment, and bonding with your bike...priceless. Dealer $250 easy. But...you'll have clean fingernails and be just as detached from it as you are from your toaster oven, if that's what you wish.


Great book..."Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance". But get a manual anyway.
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Old 04-13-2007, 11:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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J thanks for the reply. Yea, great book read it years ago. A friend and I are starting to do a bit of work for others. I realy don't like to do just oil and tires but this promisis to open a few doors. I was just curiouse to know the flat rate time so I can be reasonable on billing. Thanks again. Jim
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Are you planning on having shop keepers insurance? Just courious since there could be a lot of liability involved if you happen to make a mistake.

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Most guys i know figure their moonlighting at $35-45/hour rounded up plus parts and consumables. Machine work is more, anything farmed out is marked up slightly. This assumes they own all tools, no depreciation, overhead, or legal issues. Dealers and indys here get $65/hr. Could be different your area. Sure beats Burger King for a side job. Good luck!
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Old 04-14-2007, 02:27 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Thanks for the input. I was kind of hoping that someone with a flat rate manual could give me the alloted times. I have always geared my hourly to the local economy witch varies widely from place to place. jim
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You could always get a stopwatch from Academy Sports, and crank out the job. (ensure you have all tools, parts, and supplies set out right there to minimize lost time) and then start your own time book. If you find that an oil change takes 30 minutes under ideal circumstances, then figure 45 minutes for "Saturday afternoon labor" rates. As you do more jobs, you'll gain more insight as to how much it time it takes to do certain jobs.


OR...bribe a MoCo mechanic with a couple cases of beer, and Zerox his time book
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Old 04-14-2007, 10:10 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I have a ton of tools and have been doing Brit bike work for years but these bikes are a different animal. I know you used to be able to buy a flat rate book that covered a lot of brands and models. Most bikes, not all, don't require pulling the exhaust to change tires and Hd's safety rims can be a bear at times. Fluid change is kind of a given. I just thought someone might just kick out a time from a flat rate and I would ball park off that. No big deal really just thought I might get an easy answer. Thanks all for your input I can wing it ok just looking for the easy way out. My Dyna is pretty much a breeze but the Rk. is going to take a bit more time. Thanks again. Jim
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When doing side jops, not on bikes, I don't base on my time. No one is going to pay me for my free time. I look at what it might cost to be done by a buisness, and cut it considrablly, or just think of price that makes it worth it to me. What I mean is unless you have them lines out the door, doesn't matter if it take 1 or 2 hours, just as long as the money is worth it to you.

As for what shops charges dunno. Dealer charges 25 to mount on rim and balance. Though another dealerr nearby, talking second hand, seems to to mount on rim bike for free. Around $130, which is around what I pay for tire and to have it put on rim.

I think tires are hard to compete at. There is an indy nearby, I like, but he can't come close the price of tire a volume dealer does.
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Berserker, Pretty much what I've done in the past. These days I move pretty slowly and wouldn't think of charging for the time it actualy takes. I've done that with a lot other typs of side jobs too. It seems the hardest part of doing that sort of work was coming up with a fair price that works for both parties. Won some lost some. I'm getting the Dunlops for this guy for $250. for the pair so I guess we'll both do ok. Jim
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Old 04-15-2007, 12:09 PM   #11 (permalink)
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3 fluid change with filter, should pay 8/10th of an hour. Adjust primary chain and clutch, add another 5/10ths.
Front tire mount and balance-1 hour
Rear tire mount and balance-1.5 hours

Hope this helps..
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Old 04-15-2007, 01:03 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Thanks a lot Tom those are the numbers I was looking for. Jim
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Old 04-15-2007, 08:24 PM   #14 (permalink)
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