103" Can I do it myself?

[blittlej]

I bought a Ultra '09. I was looking at the SE 103 IV kit. It says that it is a bolt on kit. I was talking to the service tech at the dealer and he said with the new frame the motor does not even have to come out of the frame.

Has anyone try to install this kit themselves? Is there a need for any special tools? I want to use the stock mufflers for now. Rinehart does not make pipes for it yet. Is the there a map in the SERT that can do stock pipes and the 103" IV kit?

[Geezer-Glide]

You can do it. It's just a cylinder and piston swap. You're really going to want to open up the exhaust and intake, slip-on's and a free flowing air cleaner. Otherwise you'll be leaving too much on the table.

The sert should have a map.

But hey, why stop there? Head work, cams, larger throttle body........... It never truly ends!

BTW, the engines NEVER had to come out of the frame to do a top end.

[KingofCubes]

We do one of our stage 4 or 5 kits in about 13 hours w/o tuning. The squish may need adjusting by the machine shop but other than that it's not that tough.

[blittlej]

The Harley SE 103 IV comes with heads. I plan to do the air cleaner too. But, I heard that factory pipes have some honey comb structures in them all the way up to the heads. I was told it was for EPA stuff. So, slip-on will not give me the performance numbers. Correct? So, I would like True duals but, they do not make them yet.

Do the Harley 103 kits come with instructions or is it just a box of parts?

[arealinvestor]

I guess if your mechanically inclined I say try it,if not leave it to the pro's.You buy a $20,000 09 bike,and with a lack of mechanicals you strip a bolt & cause a oil leak,then what????? Over tq a bolt it breaks off in the threads then the threads have to be tapped!!! To install a 103 wouldn't cost that much.I wouldn't use the dealer for it.But a good local indy/tuner should be able to do it very reasonable.That way everything gets done properly.The squish gets set,comp set,heads and cylinders get matched!!!!! Just my .02!!!!!!!!!!

[blittlej]

The dealer wants $1500 in labor. The Kit I can get the kit from Zanotti's for about $2000. I did a top end of a *** bike. So, I am ok with minor engine work. I want to make sure that there was not some expensive Harley tool that I would need. I know that I might need a ring compressor. Unless the bottom of the jugs come tappered.

Does anyone know if they are tappered?

What is the "squish" ? Does it need to be done with the HD factory kits?

[ceraaa42]

My comment is this; why hurry?

Wait until the aftermarket is up to speed, then do it right. SE or whatever brand you choose. You're already talking about a halfa$$ job with a download tune and stock pipes.

During this time you can so some studying here are get a good plan together for a nice outcome, instead of spending a bunch now, marginal results, spend more later, still more marginal results, then spend a ton again later to get it all done correctly.

If you want it to sound better, put some slip-ons on it. It will sound & feel better, then just ride it for the time being.

R

Ps, I understand the drive to do something right off.

[AZFXSTB]

Originally Posted by blittlej

The dealer wants $1500 in labor. The Kit I can get the kit from Zanotti's for about $2000. I did a top end of a *** bike. So, I am ok with minor engine work. I want to make sure that there was not some expensive Harley tool that I would need. I know that I might need a ring compressor. Unless the bottom of the jugs come tappered.

Does anyone know if they are tappered?

What is the "squish" ? Does it need to be done with the HD factory kits?

From the sounds of it you are NOT going to be in over your head..my build was the first I had ever done on a Harley and I had nothing but auto knowledge before that. Since then I have done a few builds for friends and its nothing special. You will need a ring compressor..I suggest putting the pistons in the jugs and then the pins it is easier IMHO...a good set of feeler gauges a caliper and a dial indicator to check run out while you are in the cam chest. You will want to do the inner cam bearings so that will require a special tool..check out Georges Garage for specialty tools. Check your Deck Height if its under .005 I would leave it, if more correct it...oh get yourself a 1/2 copper pipe connector you can use those to get the wrist pins in the ID is perfect to drive them into the pistons. Good TQ wrench in 1/2 and 3/8s some ball allens for the Intake and those hard to get at spots red and blue loctite and your on your way...oh and please make sure you have the factory service manual... Good luck and above all take your time and enjoy it.....there is something about being on your OWN build that really adds to the Grin factor

oh and I agree if your staying with stock pipes this is a total waste

[arealinvestor]

Squish needs to be set on all builds.It's a combination of making the head flow,cylinder size/volume all match up to produce the desired comp.

[route66paul]

Originally Posted by KingofCubes

We do one of our stage 4 or 5 kits in about 13 hours w/o tuning. The squish may need adjusting by the machine shop but other than that it's not that tough.

You can do a 107 for just about the same money. Use your own cylinders (or buy take offs, no need to buy from the dealer), have them bored to the individual piston sizes, have the machinist gap the rings also. your stock heads are ok, but a casting cleanup and street port, and combustion chamber sizing could help a lot. while you have it apart, you might as well do a cam change, the air filter and exhaust, because a re map cost plenty and you only want to do it once.

changing to a mild aftermarket cam will cool the engine down and will have it running the way it was designed to run before the EPA stuck their nose in.

[fastroadking106]

I would recomend against the se kit they do not bore match the pistions and cylinders sometimes you get a good matching set sometimes not luck of the draw find a aftermarket company that bores stock cylinders to fit the pistions for you engine the way you have a long lasting combo

[blittlej]

Hey, do you know of a good 107 kit vendor that takes swaps? I would want matched heads, cylinders, cams and etc....

[arealinvestor]

Originally Posted by blittlej

Hey, do you know of a good 107 kit vendor that takes swaps? I would want matched heads, cylinders, cams and etc....

Swaps I don't know about that!!! Why don't you just have what you have now matched????

[blittlej]

mmmm. Maybe that is the way to go. Just take my heads and cylinders in. Has anyone had luck with that? Or is it hit and miss?

[AZFXSTB]

Originally Posted by blittlej

mmmm. Maybe that is the way to go. Just take my heads and cylinders in. Has anyone had luck with that? Or is it hit and miss?

If this is the route you may take...get in touch with one of the site sponsor's and let them hook you up with the work needed

As to "Squish" that is the distance between the top of your piston at TDC and the bottom of the Head depending on what type of piston it can get pretty complicated to measure. This the main reason you check/set your deck height so you know what your "squish" is.

This is WRONG and an incorrect statement (Sorry Criag but you give alot of wrong info bro)

Originally Posted by arealinvestor

It's a combination of making the head flow,cylinder size/volume all match up to produce the desired comp.

You can set you Compression correct and still have your Squish band way to big or to small, you can have heads that flow like crap and have the correct Squish band now I will say the purpose of the Squish band gets pretty deep it helps control the burn and help with detonation and can effect power as well

here is a link to educate if you so desire

http://www.sacoriver.net/~red/squish.html