Dealer flash/Xieds - Page 2 : V-Twin Forum: Harley Davidson Forums

brwk · 07-27-2008, 11:20 AM

Mr. Clean....good post. And of course I didn't totally agree with everything you said but I of course did not think you were speaking the gospel. Still pretty much on the money.

hozeheads · 07-28-2008, 08:35 AM

I have just finished a 700 mile run to the Pa Grand Canyon. (It was great) I have a 07 nightrain, I put in v&h's big rad's exhaust,a/c and v&h's fuel pak. . I didnt like the fuel pak because of to much crap under the seat. I didnt like pulling out the factory plate that holds the fuse box. I took the out the fuel pak and put in the Xied's

Now, the Xied's worked great, I was getting 49/50 mpg and thats no lie, running the bike in 86 deg. weather at 55/60 mph the oil temp never saw over 207 deg. I was also riding with my wife and a bag off the back. Oil temp's in stop and go did see 225 deg. If I saw anything around 240 deg. I would have stopped, or got out of there but, it never got that hot. What sold me was the spark plug color and color of the exhaust tips. The plugs were slightly tan and the exhaust tips are like a blackish gray. It still running a little lean but better then stock, and I have pipes and a/c unit.

As for me and my riding conditions the Xied's are perfect.

If you want a flash for your bike and a No on the Xied's then do it, its your bike. You need to find what works best for you. As long as you keep an eye on the plugs and exhaust color that will tell you everything you need to know on how the engine is running.

Good luck

cruiser85257 · 07-28-2008, 05:51 PM

I got five dealers in my area. Each time I stop at one I go to the service department and find a different tech to ask him to tell me specifically what the stage one download does. To this day I have never received the same answer twice. About the only truth in what I have heard is that it raises your rev's.

Personally I don't see enough of a benefit to spend $150 for the download plus they charge one hour of labor now to the tune of Eighty some odd dollars. So its going to cost you over $230 to have your rev's raised.

Save your money and buy an IED or XIED from Nightriders. They will definitely lower your AFR, something that the stage one download cannot do because of EPA restrictions. As far as open loop goes your stock map is set up to run at 12.5 WOT. Which is plenty rich for most of us.

I run the XIED's and for me it was the best money I have ever spent. The Bike runs better than it ever has. The engine stays cooler, and my fuel mileage even went up to last tank was 46.6. All this for around $100.

I'm just a Happy Customer.

claydbal · 07-28-2008, 06:12 PM

well one thing is for sure. when we make poor choices, we try and justify them. when we realize we made a horrible mistake, we bitch about how much it costs to repair.

12.5 WOT?

who, and why??

DoomBuggy · 07-28-2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by claydbal

well one thing is for sure. when we make poor choices, we try and justify them. when we realize we made a horrible mistake, we bitch about how much it costs to repair.

12.5 WOT?

who, and why??

And then there are those who refuse to see what is plainly in front of their eyes.

Just out of curiousity, have you actually examined a bike with XIEDs on it, or are you simply saying that any technology which does not take a high priest, I mean technician, to set-up cannot possibly work?

And I am not looking for your theory, I am asking if you have actually put a bike with the IEDs or XIEDs on a dyno to test your assumptions.

Best regards, Harry

hozeheads · 07-29-2008, 02:59 PM

Not really a problem, if the engine blows up I'll pull out the xieds on 2 minutes install my air cleaner assembly and send it back to the dealer and let my extended warranty handle the rest.

claydbal · 07-29-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DoomBuggy

And then there are those who refuse to see what is plainly in front of their eyes.

Just out of curiousity, have you actually examined a bike with XIEDs on it, or are you simply saying that any technology which does not take a high priest, I mean technician, to set-up cannot possibly work?

And I am not looking for your theory, I am asking if you have actually put a bike with the IEDs or XIEDs on a dyno to test your assumptions.

Best regards, Harry

no, havnt had one on my dyno, but have talked to others that have. my info is not rally coming from my tuning side as much as it is my mustang side, you see, before a software and interface called tweecer hit the streets, us EFI hotrodders from the early/mid 90's were soldering $.50 resistors inline of our narrow band o2's to trick the ecm, the exact thing yall are paying $100 for 15 years later!! old technology to say the least.

you do have to ask yourself--------what is the added resistance doing to the circuit in the ecm?? in our case, when we fried a ecm, the auto wrecking yards had plenty at $5 a pop, we all carried spares.

BTW, im not a tech, im a mechanic.

cruiser85257 · 07-29-2008, 05:30 PM

The IED is doing the same thing a SERT will do by going into the Bias Table and raising the values to lower your closed loop AFR to 14.1. Just doesn't cost a thousand dollars to do it.

Your not going to fry the ECM with the tiny amount of voltage were talking about here.

Just a Happy Customer

hozeheads · 07-30-2008, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by claydbal

no, havnt had one on my dyno, but have talked to others that have. my info is not rally coming from my tuning side as much as it is my mustang side, you see, before a software and interface called tweecer hit the streets, us EFI hotrodders from the early/mid 90's were soldering $.50 resistors inline of our narrow band o2's to trick the ecm, the exact thing yall are paying $100 for 15 years later!! old technology to say the least.

you do have to ask yourself--------what is the added resistance doing to the circuit in the ecm?? in our case, when we fried a ecm, the auto wrecking yards had plenty at $5 a pop, we all carried spares.

BTW, im not a tech, im a mechanic.

I guess that if you did it 15 years ago and it worked why wouldn't you do it today.
There's nothing wrong with old technology. The old technology is what got us here today.

oowf · 08-09-2008, 12:36 AM

I hate to sound so ignorant... but I am so here goes...

What are XIEDs?

Thank You

Crimson_Thunder · 08-09-2008, 02:27 AM

http://www.nightrider.com/parts/

This is the most common supplier of these little gadgets.

This will explain what they are and what they do. As to whether or not you want to use them or not, as you can tell from the discussion in this thread alone, that's personal choice. Do a search for XiED and you'll come up with a ton of information on them. Good luck and be safe...

Chris in PA
2008 Heritage Softail Classic

oowf · 08-09-2008, 03:10 AM

Thank_You Crimson Thunder.

I looked at a lot of the XiED threads already and it is very informative but I couldn't figure out what it was except something electronic and I'm not sure if my bike can accomodate it or not.

I'm reading the thread you gave me right now and I think it's going to help.

Thank You!

P.S. Finished going through the Nightrider site and it appears I am correct in that the XiED is only for 2007 and newer bikes. (That's how I read it anyway...)

But at least in the reading I got some idea of what it is all about.

Thanks for the response!

claydbal · 08-09-2008, 08:20 AM

oowf, the device is for injected bikes with o2 sensors.

no appliiication for carb bikes like yours. hoping this helps.

claydbal · 08-09-2008, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by hozeheads

I guess that if you did it 15 years ago and it worked why wouldn't you do it today.
There's nothing wrong with old technology. The old technology is what got us here today.

why i wouldnt do it today? because i have learned lots in those years, back then its all we had.

why do we not ride rigids? why did we buy injected? why belt drive? etc: technology marches on

i remember the first time i rode a bike with hydraulic brakes (drum), man, what a great technological breakthrough. would i skimp $200 on new discs brakes just to run the old juice brakes? not on my life-------literally!

hozeheads · 08-11-2008, 06:50 AM

Q: why do we not ride rigids?

A: YOU wouldn't ride a rigid today because your old spine couldn't handle the shock.

Q: why did we buy injected

A: We bought injection because they don't sell carb's on new bikes.

Q; why belt drive?

A:I would trust a chain while doing a hole shot over a belt any day.

Statement: i remember the first time i rode a bike with hydraulic brakes (drum), man, what a great technological breakthrough. would i skimp $200 on new discs brakes just to run the old juice brakes? not on my life-------literally!

Reply; You always seem to change the subject.

We dont care about what you drove or had we are here only about the Xied' and how they help with the heat issue, other then a expensive sert.

You made a dead stop on another thread as soon as someone said put up or shut up. Spend the $100 bucks and test them. Then you can prove to all of us how we are wrong.