Need some advice on cooling.

[cruiser85257]

If all you intend to do is to ride your bike stock or add some pipes or an air kit down the road the IED or XIED's will do the job for a fraction of the cost of a PCIII. You can read more about them on Nightrider.com .

The problem with a PCIII or SERT is unless your capable of hooking up your laptop and tuning all the aspects correctly, you'll add another $300 to your cost for a good dyno tune.

Problem with that is the tune is only as good as the man doing it.

If your stock and going to stay that way try the IED's. If you have added an air kit and or pipes or slip ons go for the XIEDs. Or you can buy the VIED's which give you the ability to adjust your own AFR setting. Prices range from $69 up to $130, which ever route you choose. It takes about five minutes to install them. You have nothing to lose and much to gain.

I love my XIED's. Just a Happy Customer.

[claydbal]

these were serious questions.

[hddan]

2007 flhrc. I started with syn oil at 1000 mile check. I added a vance and hines fuel pack.[very user friendly. no need for dyno or computer.] I installed the new oil cooler from hd. bike runs perfect. [also have wild pig slip on mufflers] now have 11000 miles.

[kenc9]

I think most of the endless arguing against the IED and XIEDs is that the tuners see a threat and lack of tunes in the future from a majority of riders now that this simple couple of wires replacing costly tunes they have been enjoying for years now.

The best thing you tuners can do is be honest because in the long run it will be found out and you may loose more work in the long run pointing good folks in a way to only have them part with their money.

I have more power, it idles with a nice stagered Harley sound, deeper note, and cooler also no labor involved and it costs $100.00 or less and there are many many happy users of the new cheat wires. I let two guys I know one of them being an 08' Ultra and they tell everyone they know because they are so happy.

Another friend that has the same bike EGC, bone stock, and when we ride he runs out of RPM before me in evey gear getting on the freeway in every gear, has less power because he just can't roll on the throttle the same. In 6th gear if he goes up hill or hits the least bit of wind he needs to down shift and you can hear him struggle to keep up. I told him I tuned it myself HAHA He keeps bugging me for me to do his, so I'll just mess with him a bit more before I tell him what to get.

Guys you'll love the XIEDs.

The complainers its all yours. HAHA

[claydbal]

kenc9, my arguments are not to gain business. guys like you that believe across the board enrichment is the way to go have never wanted a tune anyway, they buy cobra, dfo, fuel pak, etc:

my concern is folks buying a product that may be detrimental in the long run. then i will get their money! alot more that the $200-400 they saved for chrome trinkets originally.

read my posts, you will see i call it junk if i think its junk. if it is something that could cause harm, i warn people. but you will not find me soliciting business.

a gentlman contacted me the other day about motor build. i realised he was about 6 hrs away and put him on some leads that were closer to his home. i do motor builds from out of state and try and find someone closer for them also-----------if they still want me to do it, i am happy to earn their money, but as you insinuate, it is not what drives me. heck, i wish i could get a day off.

[kenc9]

Originally Posted by claydbal

kenc9, my arguments are not to gain business. guys like you that believe across the board enrichment is the way to go have never wanted a tune anyway, they buy cobra, dfo, fuel pak, etc:

my concern is folks buying a product that may be detrimental in the long run. then i will get their money! alot more that the $200-400 they saved for chrome trinkets originally.

read my posts, you will see i call it junk if i think its junk. if it is something that could cause harm, i warn people. but you will not find me soliciting business.

a gentlman contacted me the other day about motor build. i realised he was about 6 hrs away and put him on some leads that were closer to his home. i do motor builds from out of state and try and find someone closer for them also-----------if they still want me to do it, i am happy to earn their money, but as you insinuate, it is not what drives me. heck, i wish i could get a day off.

Thats nice that your so concerned, we all have opinions but name calling and disrespecting other posters is pretty much distasteful.

State your opinion and thats great but to hound and argue with each and every post with a snide comment says alot. I would never come to a guy that posts what you post to have any work done on my bike.

Grow up and stop acting like a kid! Less of course you are a kid and even then you have some room to grow.

Thats my opinion...
-ken

[Bronxhog]

I have the xied's installed on my 08 Ultra(otherwise all stock).They do NOT help at all with my heat issue-thats my two cents worth.....not that I'm doubting those who say they work,just doesn't work for me...Andrew

[kenc9]

Originally Posted by Bronxhog

I have the xied's installed on my 08 Ultra(otherwise all stock).They do NOT help at all with my heat issue-thats my two cents worth.....not that I'm doubting those who say they work,just doesn't work for me...Andrew

That really sucks, I have no idea why some see vast improvement some see a mild change and bikes like mine there was a radicle difference in both power and heat. The only difference is the lower faring. Just wondering how many miles is on your Ultra? Maybe it works different with stock pipes and the lower on the Ultra but I have no idea. Ya might call Steve and see if he has an idea about it.

Good Luck,
-ken

[iclick]

Originally Posted by Injector

Getting 350 to 360 on cylinder heads and 240 to 250 in oil tank with laser temp gun.

The 350° head-temp read is very hot for front, not too bad on the rear. I run about 275F/325R on a hot day with oil-temps settling around 190-220°, more toward the lower-end of that range when moving >50mph. I've never seen oil temps >230° in the 20 months I've owned the bike.

Where are you talking the reading on the oil pan? I have not tried that and compared it to the oil-temp gauge, but will at my first opportunity. I assume you're shooting it from the bottom, possibly near the drain plug?

Have not done 1000 mile oil change yet so synthetic may help a little if not in there already.

That will help, and an oil cooler will help even more. Buy one with a thermostat. I believe all TC engines should be equipped with an oil cooler.

My question is would a set of vance hines shortshots (black) and better breather along with PCIII bring temps down enuf to make me happy ? say 300 cylinder and 200 to 210 on oil ? or would I be wasting money with the exeption of the sound ?

The pipes won't cool the bike much if any, even though black pipes may dissipate heat better, but the PCIII that's tuned properly will. An AC is an important upgrade to open up engine breathing, but if you do that an EFI controller (PCIII, etc.) will be required to keep the A/F in line.

[Injector]

Okay everyone explain this...
From all I have been reading changing pipes does not make bike run cooler.

I just put on a set of rinehart slipons and when I get back from around a 15 mile ride my bike is now running at 195 on the oil and 300 on rear head.

Thats what about a 40 to 50 degree drop ?
The rineharts are wide open inside and it sounds good too.
Seems to be way more responsive too but that could be my imagination.
The oem's were very quiet. Lots of restriction I am guessing.

[DADAWG]

Originally Posted by claydbal

kenc9, my arguments are not to gain business. guys like you that believe across the board enrichment is the way to go have never wanted a tune anyway, they buy cobra, dfo, fuel pak, etc:

my concern is folks buying a product that may be detrimental in the long run. then i will get their money! alot more that the $200-400 they saved for chrome trinkets originally.

read my posts, you will see i call it junk if i think its junk. if it is something that could cause harm, i warn people. but you will not find me soliciting business.

a gentlman contacted me the other day about motor build. i realised he was about 6 hrs away and put him on some leads that were closer to his home. i do motor builds from out of state and try and find someone closer for them also-----------if they still want me to do it, i am happy to earn their money, but as you insinuate, it is not what drives me. heck, i wish i could get a day off.

i am not a gentleman and if you call me a gentleman one of us is gonna tote a butt whuppin lol

i dont know the crazy cajun who made the post i quoted other than some advice he has given but i will vouch for the fact that he was more than generous with his time and advice even though we probablly wouldnt do business because of the distance , doc1 is another guru who has freely shared time and advice with many people on the net without makeing a dime even though its his line of business. i do realize this is a business but someone in this business at this level HAS to have a passion for scoots or they wouldnt be where they are.
like i said i dont know clay personnaly so this is a unbiased opinion .

[claydbal]

Originally Posted by DADAWG

i am not a gentleman and if you call me a gentleman one of us is gonna tote a butt whuppin lol

i dont know the crazy cajun who made the post i quoted other than some advice he has given but i will vouch for the fact that he was more than generous with his time and advice even though we probablly wouldnt do business because of the distance , doc1 is another guru who has freely shared time and advice with many people on the net without makeing a dime even though its his line of business. i do realize this is a business but someone in this business at this level HAS to have a passion for scoots or they wouldnt be where they are.
like i said i dont know clay personnaly so this is a unbiased opinion .

thanks for kind words dawg. dem butt whoopings hurt, but i'll take one if you buy all the beer.

[DADAWG]

Originally Posted by claydbal

thanks for kind words dawg. dem butt whoopings hurt, but i'll take one if you buy all the beer.

like my daddy used to say.

BOY , YOU JUST AINT RIGHT

[flygfk]

HD Super Tuner question? Does anyone know if the the Super Tuner download will cool off my '08 Ultra. If I leave all the HD factory stock components on and do the Super Tuner and dyno will it cool this bike off? My '01 HD EG Standard never was this hot. I think 14.7-1 is at the theoretical limit for any normally aspirated engine. If the mixture is richened up will that help. Fried Thighs!

[zzmellio]

Cams, pipes, air kit, and a good tune will cool it off. Oil cooler is a good idea also. Read up on the stock cams. They have no over lap ( EPA thing) no overlap turns the motor into a cat converter to burn all the fuel and pollutants = hot motor with glowing pipes. Heat also robs power. I believe moco bumped the TC up to 96 in order to offset the power loss due to the increase of heat. Pipes air kit and tuner will help but cams put the icing on the cake. Plus you bike will run they way it shold have from the get go.