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07-03-2007, 08:21 AM
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#31 (permalink)
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Not FNG anymore
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Cullman, Alabama
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Originally Posted by iclick
Curtis, could you describe your coolers? I have the HD Premium and was thinking about adding a Jagg to the downtubes. I can't use the 10-row since it won't fit with my air horns, but I'd consider one of the smaller coolers and connect it in series with the HD, thereby maintaining thermostat operation. I'm a bit worried about oil pressure, as it will drop going through a cooler.
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My cooler is the slimline 6 row. They are mounted on the crash bar going left to right. They are hung under the top bar even with the front cyl head. This way they do not block air from the cylinders. I will take a picture and post it so you can see them. I rode in to work this morning and oil temp in the tank never went over 175  . If it gets cooler I can cover one or both coolers to keep from running with the oil to cool. Oil pressure will not drop with the oil coolers because they have more area inside than the pump can fill. You should see an increase in pressure due to oil being cooler. With out coolers my oil pressure would go 5 to 8 psi when hot idling. Now it holds 12 to 16 psi. This is after a longer and hotter run than before I put the coolers on. Coolers are the way to go on a air cooled motor that for some reason cannot get rid of heat.
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07-04-2007, 11:16 PM
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#32 (permalink)
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IronButt
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Straight jacket memories and seditive highs
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Originally Posted by RJC
ISomeone at Harley should be beat down with a baseball bat. They change the oil filter adaptor so you need a 7/16 allen to install it. Also I could not find a 7/16 allen anywhere local, pep boys, sears, h depot, salvo. I did however use a 1/4 bolt with 7/16 head and screw on 4 - 7/16 nuts and managed to torque the adaptor down to specs.
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I had to make one with bolt and jam nuts. To get a 7/16 you have to look at 1/2 drive.
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Lets not turn on each other, unless we have to.
The Devil made me do it the first time, the second time I did it on my own-Waylon
Helmets are like rubbers you know you should wear one, but its so much better when you don't.-Me
Sometimes I think its a sin, when I feel like I am winning when I am losing again.-GL
2001 FLHR, RP 98", GMR heads, 9.7, .03 HG, 37G, SE AC, CV44, DTT, LMR2, HD oil cooler,V&H classics(I know I should get 2-1)
2007 FLHTCU SERT, SE AC & Fat Cat
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07-11-2007, 09:07 AM
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#33 (permalink)
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Texas
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So is it safe to assume that the Jagg 10-row coller is much preferred to the HD Premium?
It would make sense, but frankly, the mounting "look" of the Jag leaves much to be desired. I am all for functionality over form, but in Jagg's case it's very one-sided.
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07-11-2007, 11:37 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Nevada
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Originally Posted by Belicoso_Fino
So is it safe to assume that the Jagg 10-row coller is much preferred to the HD Premium?
It would make sense, but frankly, the mounting "look" of the Jag leaves much to be desired. I am all for functionality over form, but in Jagg's case it's very one-sided.
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I don't think the lowmount looks bad at all but my bike is black.
According to Jagg their new lowmount cools about 25% better.
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07-11-2007, 11:48 AM
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IronButt
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North Georgia
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Got my HD premium oil cooler yesterday , will slap it on in another 1000 when I do the oil change.
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07-11-2007, 12:10 PM
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#36 (permalink)
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Not FNG anymore
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Originally Posted by Belicoso_Fino
So is it safe to assume that the Jagg 10-row coller is much preferred to the HD Premium?
It would make sense, but frankly, the mounting "look" of the Jag leaves much to be desired. I am all for functionality over form, but in Jagg's case it's very one-sided.
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Any cooler will help, pick your style and put it on. The only thing is to get good airflow to it and check your adapter for trash before you put it on.
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07-11-2007, 11:22 PM
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IronButt
Join Date: Sep 2003
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Mine should be here any day, or so I am told. Just going to do it with the oil in, and put a new filter on.
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Lets not turn on each other, unless we have to.
The Devil made me do it the first time, the second time I did it on my own-Waylon
Helmets are like rubbers you know you should wear one, but its so much better when you don't.-Me
Sometimes I think its a sin, when I feel like I am winning when I am losing again.-GL
2001 FLHR, RP 98", GMR heads, 9.7, .03 HG, 37G, SE AC, CV44, DTT, LMR2, HD oil cooler,V&H classics(I know I should get 2-1)
2007 FLHTCU SERT, SE AC & Fat Cat
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07-12-2007, 03:46 PM
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#38 (permalink)
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Not FNG anymore
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Cullman, Alabama
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Notice on coolers between the frame down tubes.
We installed a HD cooler on a Heritage Softail Classic between the frame down tubes. The owner then went to Fl. in a hurry and discovered that his oil ran the same temp at 80 mph as it did without the cooler. Oil temp was 240 degrees with and without. This means that the fat fender is blocking air to the cooler at speed. I have thought this might happen, but this is the first time we did a before and after test on a the same bike with this style cooler. So if you want to use a cooler with a wide front fender, mount it to the outside of the frame rails. It did help at lower speeds but not near as much as we have seen on outside mounted coolers. Not trying to start anything just letting people know the results of a test.

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07-12-2007, 04:36 PM
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#39 (permalink)
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Vendor
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Naples
Posts: 161
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Originally Posted by Curtis Shipp
What do you call basically stock? My 07' bone stock was danged hot with rear cyl temp 360+ with front cyl 280+ at the same time my 05' was 275 295. This tells me the problem is not EPA but Harley's design on the new motor. I put DTT FI, K&N filter and 2-1 exhaust with internals stock. With this front cyl temp 285 rear temp 325. This is after 2 months of messing with timing and AFR. My oil temp was 250 /260 stock. With 2 oil coolers and amsoil I stay about 185 on normal riding. The bike stock was not usable, too hot and ran poorly, now I ride it every where with very little concern about heat and pinging. The first 6 months I put 1600 miles on the bike because of problems with heat and pinging with no help from dealer. After mods I put 7500 miles in the past 2 months and love it. The heat is real on some bikes but most people opt to pay $1500.00 to Harley to fix it. But I refuse to pay Harley to fix a bike that should be right when I take it home.
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I've been saying this on here for weeks. My rear is 380+ after they "fixed it" I would like to know the reason for the different between front and rear.
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07-12-2007, 11:59 PM
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#40 (permalink)
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IronButt
Join Date: Sep 2003
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Originally Posted by MarkCrain
I've been saying this on here for weeks. My rear is 380+ after they "fixed it" I would like to know the reason for the different between front and rear.
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I would think geography, would have some to do with it.
I took a week long course in thermography, ws going to go for the liscence, but never did. I warn people of using thermal cameras and such. Emissitiviy.
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Lets not turn on each other, unless we have to.
The Devil made me do it the first time, the second time I did it on my own-Waylon
Helmets are like rubbers you know you should wear one, but its so much better when you don't.-Me
Sometimes I think its a sin, when I feel like I am winning when I am losing again.-GL
2001 FLHR, RP 98", GMR heads, 9.7, .03 HG, 37G, SE AC, CV44, DTT, LMR2, HD oil cooler,V&H classics(I know I should get 2-1)
2007 FLHTCU SERT, SE AC & Fat Cat
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07-13-2007, 08:13 AM
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#41 (permalink)
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IronButt
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Straight jacket memories and seditive highs
Posts: 9,422
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Glad its only 50 out, will keep me warm. Who needs a heated seat.
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Lets not turn on each other, unless we have to.
The Devil made me do it the first time, the second time I did it on my own-Waylon
Helmets are like rubbers you know you should wear one, but its so much better when you don't.-Me
Sometimes I think its a sin, when I feel like I am winning when I am losing again.-GL
2001 FLHR, RP 98", GMR heads, 9.7, .03 HG, 37G, SE AC, CV44, DTT, LMR2, HD oil cooler,V&H classics(I know I should get 2-1)
2007 FLHTCU SERT, SE AC & Fat Cat
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07-15-2007, 05:36 AM
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#42 (permalink)
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FNG :)
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: n.c.
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ive posted this question on two other threads where is the rattling nois coming from on my 07 st bob ive checked fluid levels im good to go but whenever i roll on the throttle i hear a rattling noise its definatly on the left side of the bike any ideas would be greatly appreciated
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07-15-2007, 07:34 AM
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#43 (permalink)
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GHOSTRIDER LIFE MEMBER
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Land Of The Free and Home Of The Brave, United States Of America
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Originally Posted by wannabeebobber
ive posted this question on two other threads where is the rattling nois coming from on my 07 st bob ive checked fluid levels im good to go but whenever i roll on the throttle i hear a rattling noise its definatly on the left side of the bike any ideas would be greatly appreciated
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07-15-2007, 10:20 AM
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#44 (permalink)
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IronButt
Join Date: Sep 2003
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people been talking abut pinging, but I haven't had any. Rode it in 2 90 degrees days, which isn't alot. Maybe I am blowing smoke, but I keep wondering if people are lugging these motots. They shift alot differant then the 88s, alot later. That will cause pings.
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Lets not turn on each other, unless we have to.
The Devil made me do it the first time, the second time I did it on my own-Waylon
Helmets are like rubbers you know you should wear one, but its so much better when you don't.-Me
Sometimes I think its a sin, when I feel like I am winning when I am losing again.-GL
2001 FLHR, RP 98", GMR heads, 9.7, .03 HG, 37G, SE AC, CV44, DTT, LMR2, HD oil cooler,V&H classics(I know I should get 2-1)
2007 FLHTCU SERT, SE AC & Fat Cat
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07-15-2007, 10:58 AM
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#45 (permalink)
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IronButt
Join Date: Sep 2003
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The 07 filter mount has two holes, what are they for? Temp sender?
I got a HD cooler yesterday, and it replaces the existing mount. I though maybe it was for a cooler at first.
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Lets not turn on each other, unless we have to.
The Devil made me do it the first time, the second time I did it on my own-Waylon
Helmets are like rubbers you know you should wear one, but its so much better when you don't.-Me
Sometimes I think its a sin, when I feel like I am winning when I am losing again.-GL
2001 FLHR, RP 98", GMR heads, 9.7, .03 HG, 37G, SE AC, CV44, DTT, LMR2, HD oil cooler,V&H classics(I know I should get 2-1)
2007 FLHTCU SERT, SE AC & Fat Cat
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