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Old 06-02-2009, 03:03 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Guys, I have SE Slip-ons and SE Breather installed. Also have the Dobeck Fuel Enricher installed to cool down my ride.
Local Dealer wants $600 for the SERT and install. Don't see that.
Just want more TQ down low. Was thinking 255 because Harley calls it their Torque Cam. Was considering the 204 earlier but a board member talked me out of it because of them coming on later than I wanted. Help is appreciated.
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Old 06-02-2009, 03:10 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Guys, I have SE Slip-ons and SE Breather installed. Also have the Dobeck Fuel Enricher installed to cool down my ride.
Local Dealer wants $600 for the SERT and install. Don't see that.
Just want more TQ down low. Was thinking 255 because Harley calls it their Torque Cam. Was considering the 204 earlier but a board member talked me out of it because of them coming on later than I wanted. Help is appreciated.
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The SE 255 is a tq cam,but the problem is, it quits to early, IMHOP!!!!Most street riders IMHOP need midrange.If your past the powerband ,when trying to pass on a highway, then what will you do???I guess it all depends on your riding style & what you want??? You ride 2 up alot???
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Old 06-02-2009, 03:55 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Ride 2 up very seldom. Crooked roads here in Ky. Hardly ever over 3,000 RPM here. Use 5th gear 99% of the time. Only use 6th on the Interstates and run 70 to 80 in 6th, 2500 to 3000 RPM in 6th.
High RPM's is not what I want.
I like the idea of the 204 but afraid it comes on to late for me. That's why I asked about the 255.
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Guys, I have SE Slip-ons and SE Breather installed. Also have the Dobeck Fuel Enricher installed to cool down my ride.
Local Dealer wants $600 for the SERT and install. Don't see that.
Just want more TQ down low. Was thinking 255 because Harley calls it their Torque Cam. Was considering the 204 earlier but a board member talked me out of it because of them coming on later than I wanted. Help is appreciated.
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Not trying to step on that "boardmember" but I personally ran 204's in a 95" and the torque came on plenty early enough (I too like it to come on very early). Having power any earlier would not have been even noticable to me.
The down side of 204's is that they are a slight bit more challenging to tune and require more than an afr sniff to get the most out of them. Not a real bad downside, unless you have a shortage of good tuners in your area that are willing to mess with timing.
The 204's will stay with you longer than the 255's in the the power band.
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Old 06-02-2009, 04:17 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Not trying to step on that "boardmember" but I personally ran 204's in a 95" and the torque came on plenty early enough (I too like it to come on very early). Having power any earlier would not have been even noticable to me.
The down side of 204's is that they are a slight bit more challenging to tune and require more than an afr sniff to get the most out of them. Not a real bad downside, unless you have a shortage of good tuners in your area that are willing to mess with timing.
The 204's will stay with you longer than the 255's in the the power band.
Like I stated in post number# 7!!!!
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Old 06-02-2009, 05:07 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Stroker,I understand the higher comp thing!!! I just don't see a cam with a 34 intake close coming on cam at 2,500!!!!JMHOP!!! It's going to quit early anyway with a 34 intake close!!!! Just my .02!!!!I agree with your other statement about the 96ci with 204's smoking a 103ci with 255's!!!!
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some of the other charistics of the 204's help them hang in there a little longer than would seem if just looking at the intake closing.
the lobe centers are wide with 96 deg int. and 112 deg.exh. this gives it a broader band that helps bottom and mid range.
the lobe separation of 104 helps in this respect also. along with the duration. A lot of other things to consider when choosing a cam beside just int. close. Look at it this way the 34 deg int. close would hurt high midrange and high end...if not for the wide lobe centers and decent duration.
on the other hand the wide lobe centers and decent duration would hurt low end if not for the 34 deg int. close.



as far as the cams coming on at 2500
look at my dyno sheets in the dyno section and you can see the 250 shift to the right on the bottom end (stock vs 204).the throttle response was so much better I would have never thought it without seeing the dyno sheet myself.

now with the increased ci and compression the cams pull hard down low and..... first and second gear hits the rev limiter fast. about as fast as you can crank the throttle and shift!
maybe I will start shifting like Dennis no clutch all foot!LOL
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Old 06-02-2009, 07:52 PM   #22 (permalink)
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some of the other charistics of the 204's help them hang in there a little longer than would seem if just looking at the intake closing.
the lobe centers are wide with 96 deg int. and 112 deg.exh. this gives it a broader band that helps bottom and mid range.
the lobe separation of 104 helps in this respect also. along with the duration. A lot of other things to consider when choosing a cam beside just int. close. Look at it this way the 34 deg int. close would hurt high midrange and high end...if not for the wide lobe centers and decent duration.
on the other hand the wide lobe centers and decent duration would hurt low end if not for the 34 deg int. close.



as far as the cams coming on at 2500
look at my dyno sheets in the dyno section and you can see the 250 shift to the right on the bottom end (stock vs 204).the throttle response was so much better I would have never thought it without seeing the dyno sheet myself.

now with the increased ci and compression the cams pull hard down low and..... first and second gear hits the rev limiter fast. about as fast as you can crank the throttle and shift!
maybe I will start shifting like Dennis no clutch all foot!LOL
Thanks for the explanation!!!
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Old 06-03-2009, 03:41 PM   #23 (permalink)
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How about a SE204 and 4* gear in my situation? Where will that setup com-in on my bike?
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Old 06-03-2009, 04:43 PM   #24 (permalink)
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How about a SE204 and 4* gear in my situation? Where will that setup com-in on my bike?
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Not a good ideal in my opinion!!! It would put you at a 30 intake close ,which is what ,stock specs are for 07-08 model v-twins.Go with the SE 204 straight up, with a good tune,high flow A/C kit & a good 2 into 1 style exhaust!!!JMHOP!!!!
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Old 06-03-2009, 05:44 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I thought about this thread last night while out riding. I had to stop at a light and make a right turn up a steep hill. I just was just over an idle making the tight right hander (throttle hand in tight), then easily accelerated up the hill from a low rpm.

These cams (SE255) pull hard down low until about 4800 rpm then they flatten out. I rarely go above that rpm, and if I do and feel it flatten I just shift up and it starts pulling hard again. A great power band for the average rider that is not out to win races or spend a bunch of money.

I'm pretty sure you can pick up a used set like new for about $50.

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I thought about this thread last night while out riding. I had to stop at a light and make a right turn up a steep hill. I just was just over an idle making the tight right hander (throttle hand in tight), then easily accelerated up the hill from a low rpm.

These cams (SE255) pull hard down low until about 4800 rpm then they flatten out. I rarely go above that rpm, and if I do and feel it flatten I just shift up and it starts pulling hard again. A great power band for the average rider that is not that is not out to win races or spend a bunch of money.

I'm pretty sure you can pick up a used set like new for about $50.

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Thanks Chris exactly what I said in post #4
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Thanks Chris exactly what I said in post #4
Oops, sorry, I misunderstood. I took it that you were putting down the SE255 since they are not upper rpm cams. They should come stock in all bikes not just the screaming eagles. Of course if they did that then people would not have as much to buy.

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Old 06-04-2009, 02:33 AM   #28 (permalink)
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OK, What would a [minus] -4* gear on a 255 do? If there is such a thing.
That would put the intake close number close to the majic 30*.
Just thinking.
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Old 06-04-2009, 05:10 AM   #29 (permalink)
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They work for me. Off the line or highway passing. I seldom run the bike at higher RPM range anyway.
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An additional thought;

Last night I'm coming on to the freeway. Tight 270deg underpass and around up hill on ramp to a down hill freeway. 25 around the corner then accelerate hard in a short distance up to speed since the traffic is over the speed limit since it's down hill. I run through the gears hard shifting somewhere just under 5000. Never felt where the cams let up, doing 80mph in fourth at the merge. No problem with this heavy bike, could have went easily faster. Thought about the factory red line at 5500rpm, I'm shifting about 600 or 800 below that, what's wrong with this? Nothing in my book.

If you're racing, it's a different deal. This is a riders cam. Up to speed quick and power to pass.

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