Installed Baisley spring-BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!!!

[newultraclassic]

Lots of people complain about the noise in the TC engine. Alsmot universally, Harley owners and dealers recommend 20w-50 for all of their bikes.

A little mentioned fact from the 2004 Touring Owner's Manual shows Table 41., Recommended Engine Oils. HD says that anything over 60 deg F. you should be running 50 wt.....that's straight 50 wt. in your T.C. Furthermore, when the temperature reaches 80 deg. F and higher,(That's almost all of the time here in Cal. in the summer) they show that you should be using straight 60 wt., NOT multi-grade.

Now you may agrue that 20w-50 is still 50 wt when hot and I might agree. But, if that's really the case, why does HD say to use straight 50 or 60 wt?

I run my Shovelhead on straight 60 wt. year around in California here and it's pretty quiet. I wonder if we aren't running too light an oil in the T.C.'s?

Yes, I installed the Baisley Spring, too and it made a noticeable difference. BTW, I use 15w-50 Mobil1 in my TC. It's very quiet since I installed the spring.

Go figure.

[Mikie]

http://65.38.172.84/forums/showthread.php?t=70847

Posts #8 and #9.

Installation is simple. I was supposed to meet a friend at his place to do it for him and when I got there he was just finishing up, using only the instructions that come with the spring. The guy is a total fu*tard as a mechanic. He was in the process of bolting on the headers and I noticed both exhaust circlips on the floor next to the bike. He said they were getting in the way and they didn't look like they did anything anyway. We yanked the cam cover just to be sure and he got it right and he did. Goes to show you anyone can get that part right.

DO NOT use the cam cover torque specs in some service manuals. They are a misprint and could lead to cracking the case. Correct torque is 90 - 120 INCH pounds or 7.5 - 10 FOOT pounds. Clean and blow out all 10 cam cover bolt holes before installing.

[ROY YOUNG]

Originally Posted by newultraclassic

Lots of people complain about the noise in the TC engine. Alsmot universally, Harley owners and dealers recommend 20w-50 for all of their bikes.

A little mentioned fact from the 2004 Touring Owner's Manual shows Table 41., Recommended Engine Oils. HD says that anything over 60 deg F. you should be running 50 wt.....that's straight 50 wt. in your T.C. Furthermore, when the temperature reaches 80 deg. F and higher,(That's almost all of the time here in Cal. in the summer) they show that you should be using straight 60 wt., NOT multi-grade.

Now you may agrue that 20w-50 is still 50 wt when hot and I might agree. But, if that's really the case, why does HD say to use straight 50 or 60 wt?

I run my Shovelhead on straight 60 wt. year around in California here and it's pretty quiet. I wonder if we aren't running too light an oil in the T.C.'s?

Yes, I installed the Baisley Spring, too and it made a noticeable difference. BTW, I use 15w-50 Mobil1 in my TC. It's very quiet since I installed the spring.

Go figure.

newultraclassic,

I mentioned this very thing in the oil section a few months ago and got little feed back. The thread happened to be a discussion on the apparent "thinning" of some types of oils compared to others. I have an EVO and not a TC, but I'm running a 6H and the springs to go with it. Every time I would run it up to 75-80 or so on a hot day, it would start rattling a little. This was with a 20-50 synthetic. Then last Summer we took a trip from here to FL pulling the Uni-Go in 90-95 degree heat, and it really started rattling alot when we would stop and get gas. The 20-50 synthetic was new when I left home so after the noise started, I stopped at a dealer after only the 1st 300 miles or so and changed it in the parking lot to straight 50wt. Harley oil. The noise was completely gone. We ended up putting another 2,800 miles on before getting back home and it still wasn't making any noise. That was a true test for me not to mention the other couple with us did the same on their S&S 113". All we run now is straight 50wt. in the Summer and change back to 20-50 in the Winter. I also had another friend of mine that has an '04 TC look in his owner's manual to see what they recommend because of hearing so much about noisey TC's on this board. I'm really suprised more don't try this instead of sticking with 20-50 year round.

[maver99]

I just have one question about this spring. I have an 04 RKC can you use this spring on a stock motor? I have all the top end sounds that everybody talks about. I have not done any internal engine mods just the basic PC, air filter and pipes. I called Latus and they said they only use it when they do engine mods like a 95in kit or cams. Can somebody please clear this up for me

[reg26]

I was in my dealer today buying supplies for an oil change and looked for streight 50wt oil and they don't even stock it. Can you get the 50wt in SYN also?

[bbrowncods]

Originally Posted by maver99

I just have one question about this spring. I have an 04 RKC can you use this spring on a stock motor? I have all the top end sounds that everybody talks about. I have not done any internal engine mods just the basic PC, air filter and pipes. I called Latus and they said they only use it when they do engine mods like a 95in kit or cams. Can somebody please clear this up for me

You sure can! It is very easy to do. Get a manual and gofor it.

[newultraclassic]

Originally Posted by reg26

I was in my dealer today buying supplies for an oil change and looked for streight 50wt oil and they don't even stock it. Can you get the 50wt in SYN also?

Harley doesn't have straight 50 wt in synthetic. I used to buy it there for my Shovelhead in 60 wt. Harley dino oil. Probably they will drop it.

Otherwise you could run Rev Tech (Custom Chrome) or Valvoline. I'm getting tired of all of the hoopla about synthetic oil anyway. Just make sure you have some oil in your bike.

[deuce04]

Originally Posted by newultraclassic

I'm getting tired of all of the hoopla about synthetic oil anyway. Just make sure you have some oil in your bike.

My sentiments exactly

[George C]

I had a Baisley spring installed before they delivered my new bike.
I don't know what engine noise sounds like in a TC, but my bike runs smooth as silk and quiet. No ticking what so ever.

[miles to go]

Originally Posted by reg26

Can you get the 50wt in SYN also?

Amsoil has it. I run straight 60wt SYN in my shovel. Been running 20w50 in my twincam but i'm thinking about a change now after reading this thread.

[RoadKingCurley]

Originally Posted by newultraclassic

Lots of people complain about the noise in the TC engine. Alsmot universally, Harley owners and dealers recommend 20w-50 for all of their bikes.

A little mentioned fact from the 2004 Touring Owner's Manual shows Table 41., Recommended Engine Oils. HD says that anything over 60 deg F. you should be running 50 wt.....that's straight 50 wt. in your T.C. Furthermore, when the temperature reaches 80 deg. F and higher,(That's almost all of the time here in Cal. in the summer) they show that you should be using straight 60 wt., NOT multi-grade.

Now you may agrue that 20w-50 is still 50 wt when hot and I might agree. But, if that's really the case, why does HD say to use straight 50 or 60 wt?

I run my Shovelhead on straight 60 wt. year around in California here and it's pretty quiet. I wonder if we aren't running too light an oil in the T.C.'s?

Yes, I installed the Baisley Spring, too and it made a noticeable difference. BTW, I use 15w-50 Mobil1 in my TC. It's very quiet since I installed the spring.

Go figure.

FWIW, Harley has changed their specs and now reccomends 20-50 in everything, engine, tranny and primary. At least that's what the mechanic at the dealer told me. I run 20-50 Amsoil or 15-50 Red-Line w/ an oil cooler on my bike. In the winter I run 15-40 Red-Line Diesel. Never had a problem. Just my

[Mike H.]

Originally Posted by George C

I had a Baisley spring installed before they delivered my new bike.
I don't know what engine noise sounds like in a TC, but my bike runs smooth as silk and quiet. No ticking what so ever.

Ok, so my 88b was pretty quiet before I installed my 37G, new lifters, and LMR II spring. Now, the clatter gets pretty loud when she gets hot. Is this supposed to happen, or are you guys saying it's still supposed to be quiet?

[newultraclassic]

Originally Posted by RoadKingCurley

FWIW, Harley has changed their specs and now reccomends 20-50 in everything, engine, tranny and primary. At least that's what the mechanic at the dealer told me. I run 20-50 Amsoil or 15-50 Red-Line w/ an oil cooler on my bike. In the winter I run 15-40 Red-Line Diesel. Never had a problem. Just my

With all due respect, I would very much lke to see the information bulletin from HD on that. I don't think the mechanic is correct. I'm not referring to the transmission or primary and I know what the dealers are selling. They are pushing Syn 3 at $9.00 a quart which, frankly, is a joke.

Even so, I find that note in my owner's manual to be interesting.

[RoadKingCurley]

Originally Posted by newultraclassic

With all due respect, I would very much lke to see the information bulletin from HD on that. I don't think the mechanic is correct. I'm not referring to the transmission or primary and I know what the dealers are selling. They are pushing Syn 3 at $9.00 a quart which, frankly, is a joke.

Even so, I find that note in my owner's manual to be interesting.

Her ya go!! http://oilhelp.com/motorcycle/harleyvsamsoil/PAB849.pdf

[newultraclassic]

Originally Posted by RoadKingCurley

Her ya go!! http://oilhelp.com/motorcycle/harleyvsamsoil/PAB849.pdf

Thanks. I've seen that before. It doesn't address the note regarding temperature and straight weight oil in my owner's manual.

It's sort of a moot point with me. I won't be paying their silly high prices for a quart of oil at the dealer anymore. Yes, I can afford it. There are oils that work just as well for close to half the price.

In fact, I try to stay away from the dealer whenever I can. My local dealer has the highest labor price of any that I saw in the thread about labor. That carries over to other things as well.

My 2 cents.