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Old 01-15-2008, 05:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ok I have done a bunch of searches on this, done my homework and read all kinds of threads. But nothing can answer my question. My local dealer has a winter service special going till the end of Feb. They quoted me S&S 510 gear drive cams with adjustable pushrods installed out the door price of $1260.00 with a free dyno tune and printout. I have a 2001 FXSTI with S/E air cleaner, Stage 1 download, Vance and Hines straight shots,and PC 111 USB. I dont do much 2 up riding and dont really go touring for long rides. What I am wondering is this cam setup going to make me say holy *#^! when I twist it. I have a stock twin cam 88. Is this going to be a good performance upgrade?
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Old 01-15-2008, 05:41 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Ok I have done a bunch of searches on this, done my homework and read all kinds of threads. But nothing can answer my question. My local dealer has a winter service special going till the end of Feb. They quoted me S&S 510 gear drive cams with adjustable pushrods installed out the door price of $1260.00 with a free dyno tune and printout. I have a 2001 FXSTI with S/E air cleaner, Stage 1 download, Vance and Hines straight shots,and PC 111 USB. I dont do much 2 up riding and dont really go touring for long rides. What I am wondering is this cam setup going to make me say holy *#^! when I twist it. I have a stock twin cam 88. Is this going to be a good performance upgrade?
At that price..........the dyno run is far from free.

Cams are about $500 for the complete setup
Pushrods are $150 at the dealer

Add in a cam cover gasket for $10...........and your total parts around about $660.......so they are charging you $600 for labor and dyno tune. Labor for the swap is about 3-4 hours.

I did my entire motor work last year for $1500 in parts........that was 95", Big Boyz Heads, HQ-0034G cams, pushrods, gaskets, and SE clutch spring. I did all the work myself, and had it tuned in the end for $300.

In a stock 88", by just changing the cams.........you are not going to get a whole lot of power. It will run better, and you will gain a little bit.......but nothing to shock you.

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Old 01-15-2008, 05:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I just had the S&S 510s installed in my '05 Fatboy, and no, there is no "wow" factor, but there is a noticeable torque increase at lower rpms in 4th and 5th, probably when hammering it also, but since I don't do that I wouldn't know. I'm happy with the upgrade. BTW, I paid an indy $900 for the same job (have same set-up as you w/big shots rather than straight shots) w/o dyno tune. I thought I'd get a tune if I felt I needed it. But by reducing (yes reducing!) fuel by 2% at all RPM the minor popping on decel (as in full off throttle in 3rd at 60 mph) disappeared and my plugs are tan and oil temp at 205 degrees in 50 degree weather. Your pipes will be louder, be ready for that! I think I need some quiet baffles.

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Old 01-15-2008, 06:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I would bet that they are not doing a complete dyno tune, just downloading a map and checking it on a dyno (to make you feel likeyou have a lot more HP) For a stock 88, put a set of andrews 26 chain cams in and go have it dynoed at a place that does a real dyno, either a SERT or a PCIII. Make sure to check the tensioners and replace if needed.

You will save money if you do it yourself and pull the valve covers so that you can reuse the pushrods.

That cam and a few others will give you the most on a otherwise stock 88"
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Old 01-15-2008, 06:43 PM   #5 (permalink)
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they also quoted me a price of $980.00 for SE211 cams installed. I`m just looking for a good cam to install with the hopes of someday maybe going to 95".
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Old 01-15-2008, 11:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I'm looking at the same change. The going rate in CO seems to be $1200 with most offering 10% off either labor or parts. I tried two indies and the local dealer. I was disappointed in the price differences, in that there really wasn't any.

The parts run around $800, that's cams ($295), S&S 4 gear set ($435), gaskets, oil, etc add another $50. Add $100 if you want adjustable pushrods. Prices from J&P Cycles catalog 'cause I have it next to my computer. Lots of places to get them cheaper I'm sure.

As to the 510 cam, my research indicates it doesn't kick in until around 3K rpm. The majority of my riding is under that. I've read a number of posts that say the 510 will be rough at rpms under 3K. I'm looking at the Andrews 21G. If you're planning a big bore later then the 26G seems to be the recommended solution.

I've just about got the finance officer convinced. I just need to pick my wrench and pull the trigger.

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.....there is no "wow" factor, but there is a noticeable torque increase at lower rpms in 4th and 5th, probably when hammering it also, but since I don't do that I wouldn't know.....
Agree on the "no wow" factor on the S&S 510. I did the same cam a year ago and just recently did a 95" big bore. Still not getting the WoW !!! Have really been kicking around stepping up to a S&S 570 cam before steady riding season hits. If you look at the specs on the 510 they are just a tiny step up from stock.

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Old 01-16-2008, 03:25 PM   #8 (permalink)
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These are the answers that I am looking for. Thanks to all. Pretty much sounds like the 510 might as well be a waste of my hard earned money. I`ll keep looking , I have heard alot of good things about the 26G.
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Agree on the "no wow" factor on the S&S 510. I did the same cam a year ago and just recently did a 95" big bore. Still not getting the WoW !!! Have really been kicking around stepping up to a S&S 570 cam before steady riding season hits. If you look at the specs on the 510 they are just a tiny step up from stock.

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Yeah,the 510 is a good cam for an otherwise stock 88" but stepping up to a 95" you could use more.
The 570's like a bit of a bump in compression and some flow work on the heads to really perform well.
I have SE 10.25 cast pistons and Baisley SS heads in mine with the 570G cams and there is definately some WOW! factor.!

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Old 01-16-2008, 03:41 PM   #10 (permalink)
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These are the answers that I am looking for. Thanks to all. Pretty much sounds like the 510 might as well be a waste of my hard earned money. I`ll keep looking , I have heard alot of good things about the 26G.

IMHO it doesn't get you very far just changing cams unless you get some head work done also.
That's the secret to getting some real wow factor.
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Old 01-16-2008, 04:40 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I did the 510 cam plus 95in at the same time and had moderate wow factory. Did heads and carb update the next year and big wow factor. I'd say whatever you are planning on doing save your money and do it all at once.
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I bought my 2000 RG last year with the 510 cams already installed. It's got slip ons and a ness big sucker on it. Otherwise the bike is stock. I've got to say I'm not impressed with the cam at all. I'll definately be doing a 95" with higher comp and headwork haven't decided on the cam yet but leaning towards the R&R 525. I'm really only looking for around 100/100.
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I'm quite happy with my 510 cams because what I was looking for is enhanced reliability for the long haul, no replacing or breaking of chain tensioners. If you want performance, probably better go elsewhere.

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Old 01-16-2008, 11:12 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I've run both cams in my motor and the 570 had quite a bit more torque and it was down low. I was told that the 585 may have been a better choice when I had the 570s. Seriously consider some head work to get the air flow needed to get the cam to wkr for you...maybe one of the pro builders can speak to this...
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IMHO it doesn't get you very far just changing cams unless you get some head work done also.
That's the secret to getting some real wow factor.
Yup........... I waited, and waited and waited. Finally was able to convince the wifey (this week) I needed the motor done - but headwork was of the utmost priorities. Without doing headwork, it's just not worth doing IMHO. Just my
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