Where to Find Kerosene in AZ.

[Tech23]

Hey,

I'm hoping some locals can help me out here. Does anyone know where I can buy Kerosene (bulk) in the Queen Creek or surrounding areas. I am looking for 15 gallons, so I don't want buy 15 cans of Coleman lantern fuel.

I would consider mineral spirits too, so long as I can find a place to fill my gas cans with it.

Thanks for any help
Tech23

[YankeeBob]

You do know that Coleman fuel is what was once known as "white gasoline", right? It is not like kerosene. It is more like gasoline.

[claydbal]

kerosene? your small airport. coleman fuel? your local gas staion---regular unleaded. gee yankeebob, i remember when AMACO had a seperate pump for white gas! ol phukker!

[YankeeBob]

Naw....Just a young punk. I don't remember a separate pump. But, I do remember cans of white gas being sold on the shelf next to the Coleman fuel. Same stuff, but Coleman branded it.

[Tech23]

Originally Posted by YankeeBob

You do know that Coleman fuel is what was once known as "white gasoline", right? It is not like kerosene. It is more like gasoline.

No I did not know that, thanks. I was not going to purchase the Coleman fuel anyway. When I lived in PA. I guess because of the cold winters and lots of people had kerosene heaters, the local gas station had a kerosene pump. Do you think that was "white gasoline" as well? It did not smell like gas at all. If it was white gasoline, then thats what I had in my parts washer mixed with Safety Kleen solvent back East for 10 years without a problem. I am having no luck here in AZ finding kerosene from a pump, or bulk cans.

Tech23

[Traakon]

White gas and kerosene are not interchangeable depending on the intended use and Unleaded and white gas are not exactly the same.

White gas is basically unleaded fuel with out the EPA mandated additives (and refiners special bend additives).

Kerosene is a "parafin fuel" and is more sooty because of this.

Since you did not mention what you planned it for (except mentioning the parts washer) I would not use "white gas" or "Unleaded fuel" as a substitute for parts washing. The nature of kerosene makes it harder to ignite and ostensibly safer for "parts washing" type activities.

There once was a store in Crown King that carried kerosene but I have no idea if they do or still exist. There also use to be a place called "Bill's (something)" on 40th street in phoenix. Memories from the old 4x4 camping days.

Something to check out:
International Fuel Names

[Tech23]

Originally Posted by Traakon

White gas and kerosene are not interchangeable depending on the intended use and Unleaded and white gas are not exactly the same.

White gas is basically unleaded fuel with out the EPA mandated additives (and refiners special bend additives).

Kerosene is a "parafin fuel" and is more sooty because of this.

Since you did not mention what you planned it for (except mentioning the parts washer) I would not use "white gas" or "Unleaded fuel" as a substitute for parts washing. The nature of kerosene makes it harder to ignite and ostensibly safer for "parts washing" type activities.

There once was a store in Crown King that carried kerosene but I have no idea if they do or still exist. There also use to be a place called "Bill's (something)" on 40th street in phoenix. Memories from the old 4x4 camping days.

Something to check out:
International Fuel Names

Thanks for the info. I will look into it.

Kerosene is more closely related to Diesel fuel I know...but will Diesel clean as well as kerosene? Will Diesel swell rubber parts? I think Diesel will have more odor than Kerosene. I used a Kerosene/Safety Kleen mix in a parts washer for probably 10 years before I moved across the country. I never had any issues with it...it cleaned good, no odor problems, it had no adverse effect on the Audi fuel pump I was using, and it did not swell rubber parts.

Tech23

[Gulfstream]

Jet A or Jet A-1 available at most airports is just a highly refined kerosene.

[Bamadan]

Go to a fuel distributor and they should have kerosene, if not I bet he can lead you in the right direction.
Airports that service jets or helicopters more than likely will have jet fuel which is the same thing basically, expensive though.

[nightrob]

Jet fuel is closer to diesel than kerosene, we use jp4 and jp8 in our diesel vehicles and our aircraft!

[Traakon]

If you are parts washing, try Super Agatine which you can pick up at Grainger.

Ohhh I did some checking i.e. I asked the wife if she recalled, the place was called Bill's Propane on 40th street in Phoenix. Good Luck

[route66paul]

Originally Posted by Traakon

White gas and kerosene are not interchangeable depending on the intended use and Unleaded and white gas are not exactly the same.

White gas is basically unleaded fuel with out the EPA mandated additives (and refiners special bend additives).

Kerosene is a "parafin fuel" and is more sooty because of this.

Since you did not mention what you planned it for (except mentioning the parts washer) I would not use "white gas" or "Unleaded fuel" as a substitute for parts washing. The nature of kerosene makes it harder to ignite and ostensibly safer for "parts washing" type activities.

There once was a store in Crown King that carried kerosene but I have no idea if they do or still exist. There also use to be a place called "Bill's (something)" on 40th street in phoenix. Memories from the old 4x4 camping days.

Something to check out:
International Fuel Names

White gas is a little rawer than that. White gas is gasolene before it is put through a "cracking unit" the octane is much lower, but is just fine to run in pre WWII vehicles.

Today's "white gas" may be a little better refined than the old white gas, but will not have any additives at all.

[Gulfstream]

Originally Posted by nightrob

Jet fuel is closer to diesel than kerosene, we use jp4 and jp8 in our diesel vehicles and our aircraft!

Gotta respectfully disagree with ya there Rob, JP8 is basically a more refined kerosene with a few additive thrown in for aviation purposes (anti-static, anti-bacterial, anti-icing, and corrosion inhibitors). Diesel is a couple of steps down and less refined thus "dirtier". You AF guys can still get JP4? The Army phased that out back in the mid 90's after a big accident at Pope AFB in NC. JP4 is basically a mix of kereosene and gasoline with a lower flashpoint. JP8, at least for the Army is run in everything from trucks, aircraft, heaters, small equipment...one fuel on the battlefield, makes it much easier on the logistics guys.

[Traakon]

Originally Posted by route66paul

Today's "white gas" may be a little better refined than the old white gas, but will not have any additives at all.

Ain't that what I posted? Thanks for the confirmation.

[Shockwave]

What you need to clean parts is called Naphtha or Shellite also works well.