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Old 01-18-2013, 12:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/...tcmp=obnetwork

Another dirty little secret about the cost/benefit of good intentions and the resultant programs that come out of government.

Even about a third the way through the article my guess was that the proposed solution to this would be still more money. Sure enough.

It's such a GREAT idea. It can't not work. It has to work. How can it not be working? And.....IT'S FOR THE.....CHILDREN! THE CHILDREN! We need to throw more money at it. And so it goes....
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Old 01-18-2013, 01:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/...tcmp=obnetwork

Another dirty little secret about the cost/benefit of good intentions and the resultant programs that come out of government.

Even about a third the way through the article my guess was that the proposed solution to this would be still more money. Sure enough.

It's such a GREAT idea. It can't not work. It has to work. How can it not be working? And.....IT'S FOR THE.....CHILDREN! THE CHILDREN! We need to throw more money at it. And so it goes....
I'll be watching the network news tonight. I am sure they will all be reporting on this. Probably do a big expose' on 60 Minutes this weekend.
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I read the article and agree with your post. The problem is, it's a Fox News article, which pretty much guarantees that the detractors on this forum will want to blow it off as nothing more than rightwing propaganda.
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Old 01-18-2013, 01:51 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I read the article and agree with your post. The problem is, it's a Fox News article, which pretty much guarantees that the detractors on this forum will want to blow it off as nothing more than rightwing propaganda.
I considered that before I started the thread.
I realize only certain "facts" are allowed by certain people.
Other undesirable facts are either denied or their originator is smeared so as to make the originator lose credibility.
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I read the article and agree with your post. The problem is, it's a Fox News article, which pretty much guarantees that the detractors on this forum will want to blow it off as nothing more than rightwingNUT propaganda.
I fixed it for ya. Might as well get that in there now before Bones shows up.

I agree with the "chopping block" assessment myself BTW.
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I read the article and agree with your post. The problem is, it's a Fox News article, which pretty much guarantees that the detractors on this forum will want to blow it off as nothing more than rightwing propaganda.
I was thinking the same thing. I Googled "Head Start Impact Study" and got the report and little else. I searched MSNBC, CNN and the three networks and found nothing. I used the same search criteria I used for Google on each site. I even searched on Fox News to see if there was something wrong with my search but got the story on Fox News. Below I have posted a summary of the report and for those with a lot whole lot of time on their hands and nothing better to do, the full report.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default...ve_summary.pdf

http://www.eric.ed.gov/PDFS/ED507845.pdf
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Another dirty little secret about the cost/benefit of good intentions and the resultant programs that come out of government.

Even about a third the way through the article my guess was that the proposed solution to this would be still more money. Sure enough.

It's such a GREAT idea. It can't not work. It has to work. How can it not be working? And.....IT'S FOR THE.....CHILDREN! THE CHILDREN! We need to throw more money at it. And so it goes....
Lindsey M. Burke is the Will Skillman Fellow in education policy at the Heritage Foundation.


Wow... as we all know, nothing but good comes from the Heritage Foundation. After all, the Koch brothers want nothing more than what's best for middle class America...
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I fixed it for ya. Might as well get that in there now before Bones shows up.

I agree with the "chopping block" assessment myself BTW.
I would haave gone with rightwing nutjob but hey, at least we're in the same chapter if not on the same page...
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Lindsey M. Burke is the Will Skillman Fellow in education policy at the Heritage Foundation.


Wow... as we all know, nothing but good comes from the Heritage Foundation. After all, the Koch brothers want nothing more than what's best for middle class America...
Hey Bones, How about addressing the story rather than the source. Anything in the story you care to dispute? I have provided the reports for you.
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I was thinking the same thing. I Googled "Head Start Impact Study" and got the report and little else. I searched MSNBC, CNN and the three networks and found nothing. I used the same search criteria I used for Google on each site. I even searched on Fox News to see if there was something wrong with my search but got the story on Fox News. Below I have posted a summary of the report and for those with a lot whole lot of time on their hands and nothing better to do, the full report.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default...ve_summary.pdf

http://www.eric.ed.gov/PDFS/ED507845.pdf
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I would haave gone with rightwing nutjob but hey, at least we're in the same chapter if not on the same page...
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:34 PM   #12 (permalink)
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We know XBones, Democrat (Union) good, Republican bad.
The facts in the report itself are irrelevant to you. We get that.
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Before I get involved in reading that whole report, does the report offer any reasons as to why Head Start is ineffective? It seems counterintuitive doesn't it?

I wonder if it's just too difficult to counter bad parenting or what.
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Before I get involved in reading that whole report, does the report offer any reasons as to why Head Start is ineffective? It seems counterintuitive doesn't it?

I wonder if it's just too difficult to counter bad parenting or what.
I would contend that, we promote bad parenting by taking the responsibility away from the parent and holding the public accountable for the proper rearing of the child. All these government programs have good intentions, but I see more and more that people expect someone else to raise their child, and cry foul when someone else did not properly do the job that they should have been doing their-self in the first place.

Parenting takes effort, sacrifice and fortitude.

If you don't have or are not willing to do the above, don't have children. It is not my responsibility to raise your children, don't dump your short comings on the rest of society. At the very least you should be expected to be the major player in this endeavor.

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I would contend that, we promote bad parenting by taking the responsibility away from the parent and holding the public accountable for the proper rearing of the child. All these government programs have good intentions, but I see more and more that people expect someone else to raise their child, and cry foul when someone else did not properly do the job that they should have been doing their-self in the first place.

Parenting takes effort, sacrifice and fortitude.

If you don't have or are not willing to do the above, don't have children. It is not my responsibility to raise your children, don't dump your short comings on the rest of society. At the very least you should be expected to be the major player in this endeavor.
It takes a village.

Until you try to tell someone else's kid what to do or admonish them for poor behavior then it's 'don't tell my kid what to do' or 'it's none of your business what my kid does'.
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