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Old 12-26-2012, 10:39 PM   #481 (permalink)
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Here is an interesting twist. The names and addresses of gun permit holders in two New York counties has been put online by a newspaper in an interactive map.

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There was a guy last week in one of Chicago's suburbs who had just bought a new gun. He was sitting in his car showing his friend how the safety worked. To demonstrate he loaded his gun, pointed it at his own face and pulled the trigger. Unfortunately he had the safety off instead of on. He died instantly.
Not to be uncaring toward the misfortune of others, but,



That Guy had no business anywhere near a gun and probably would have accidentally killed someone else if he didn't do it to himself first.
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Old 12-27-2012, 08:38 AM   #483 (permalink)
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There was a guy last week in one of Chicago's suburbs who had just bought a new gun. He was sitting in his car showing his friend how the safety worked. To demonstrate he loaded his gun, pointed it at his own face and pulled the trigger. Unfortunately he had the safety off instead of on. He died instantly.
Darwinism, no cure for stupid, at least he didn't kill anyone else.
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Old 12-27-2012, 08:43 AM   #484 (permalink)
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I find it a bit ironic that we can arm what amounts to basically a child and send him to war but people get up in arms (no pun intended) when you talk about arming a Teacher. You trust the Police to carry a firearm and use it correctly but not a Teacher, no one sees the hypocrisy in that? Why? Because a cop gets the proper training? You think a teacher is incapable of getting the same training? Someone who has spent years in higher education and probably is more intelligent than your average LEO? I don't follow that line of reasoning..
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Old 12-27-2012, 08:49 AM   #485 (permalink)
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I find it a bit ironic that we can arm what amounts to basically a child and send him to war but people get up in arms (no pun intended) when you talk about arming a Teacher. You trust the Police to carry a firearm and use it correctly but not a Teacher, no one sees the hypocrisy in that? Why? Because a cop gets the proper training? You think a teacher is incapable of getting the same training? Someone who has spent years in higher education and probably is more intelligent than your average LEO? I don't follow that line of reasoning..
I agree. Some teachers, perhaps many, would not want to "carry," but those who wish to do so should be allowed to, after training that is.

I would hazard a guess that many in tough urban neighborhoods would welcome the right to carry.
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:25 AM   #487 (permalink)
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Reload and go after them.
How do you reload a jammed semi-auto? (one reason why I prefer revolvers in a self-defense gun over a semi).
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How do you reload a jammed semi-auto? (one reason why I prefer revolvers in a self-defense gun over a semi).
You first clear the jam and then reload. Takes less than two seconds to clear a double feed which is probably one of the worse. Training is your friend...
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Old 12-27-2012, 11:36 AM   #489 (permalink)
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How do you reload a jammed semi-auto? (one reason why I prefer revolvers in a self-defense gun over a semi).
I agree on the wheel gun for carry. I carry a S&W j-framed .38 - Wouldn't consider carrying anything else, always ready and always fires. Reliable as a hammer.

Danny Boy, this agreeing with you is getting to be a habit. But, like everything else, this too will change. . . .
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I agree on the wheel gun for carry. I carry a S&W j-framed .38 - Wouldn't consider carrying anything else, always ready and always fires. Reliable as a hammer.
Yep, at time of panic I don't want to think about a safety, or "is there one in the chamber?".
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Danny Boy, this agreeing with you is getting to be a habit. But, like everything else, this too will change. . . .
I agree with that.
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You first clear the jam and then reload. Takes less than two seconds to clear a double feed which is probably one of the worse. Training is your friend...
I haven't read what happened once the rifle jammed. The story claims that the Resource Officer fired 10 shots before it jammed. He then radioed for help and there were already other officers on site by then. It's not clear if he could had access to more ammo, or if he was unable to clear the jamb, or if he was simply re-positioned by the IC at that point.

One thing that may have been an issue is that he was not wearing his prescription glasses. He was outside watching over a "smoker's" lot, when the call for help came, he may have had sunglasses on and may not have brought his prescription glasses with him. Never know if that may have played a role in his 10 misses (far vision) or jammed rifle (near vision) or none of the above.
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:04 PM   #493 (permalink)
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Press releases

Feinstein to Introduce Updated Assault Weapons Bill in New Congress, December 17, 2012
Feinstein Statement on Connecticut School Shooting, December 14, 2012

Summary of 2013 legislation

Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
120 specifically-named firearms
Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic
Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds
Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test
Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test
Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans
Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment
Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and
Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons
Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration

A pdf of the bill summary is available here.
Effectivenness of 1994-2004 Assault Weapons Ban

Following are studies that have been conducted on the 1994-2004 Assault Weapons Ban:

In an Urban Institute study for the Department of Justice (pdf), Jeffrey Roth and Christopher Koper find that the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban was responsible for a 6.7 percent decrease in total gun murders, holding all other factors equal. They write: “Assault weapons are disproportionately involved in murders with multiple victims, multiple wounds per victim, and police officers as victims.”
Original source (page 2): Jeffrey A. Roth & Christopher S. Koper, “Impact Evaluation of the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act of 1994,” The Urban Institute (March 1997).
In a University of Pennsylvania study (pdf), Christopher Koper reports that the use of assault weapons in crime declined by more than two-thirds by about nine years after 1994 Assault Weapons Ban took effect.
Original source (page 46): Christopher S. Koper, “An Updated Assessment of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban: Impacts on Gun Markets and Gun Violence, 1994-2003” (June 2004).
In a Washington Post story, reporters David Fallis and James Grimaldi write that the percentage of firearms seized by police in Virginia with high-capacity magazines dropped significantly during the Assault Weapons Ban. That figure has doubled since the ban expired.
Original source: In Virginia, high-yield clip seizures rise. By David S. Fallis and James V. Grimaldi, Washington Post.
In a letter to the editor in the American Journal of Public Health (pdf), Douglas Weil and Rebecca Knox explain that when Maryland imposed a more stringent ban on assault pistols and high-capacity magazines in 1994, it led to a 55 percent drop in assault pistols recovered by the Baltimore Police Department.
Original source (pages 297-298): Douglas S. Weil & Rebecca C. Knox, "Letter to the Editor, The Maryland Ban on the Sale of Assault Pistols and High-Capacity Magazines: Estimating the Impact in Baltimore," 87 American Journal of Public Health 2, Feb. 1997, at 297-98.
A recent study by the Violence Policy Center finds that between 2005 and 2007, one in four law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty was killed with an assault weapon.
Original source (pages 6-7): Violence Policy Center, "Target: Law Enforcement—Assault Weapons in the News," (Feb. 2010).
A report by the Police Executive Research Forum finds that 37 percent of police departments reported seeing a noticeable increase in criminals’ use of assault weapons since the Assault Weapons Ban expired.
Original source (page 2): Police Executive Research Forum, "Guns and Crime: Breaking New Ground by Focusing on the Local Impact," (May 2010).
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She's been waiting a long time for this "opportunity". The old hag has never been for anything except total confiscation. Oh...I forgot, except those who escort her. Along with camera hound Chuckster Schumer and pizza inhaling Michael Moore.
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