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Old 12-10-2012, 07:40 PM   #31 (permalink)
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A little thread drift but, why don't they put guard rails along the platform so people can't fall onto the tracks quite so easily?
probably too difficult for the conductor to stop in the exact spot to allow access..
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Old 12-10-2012, 08:13 PM   #32 (permalink)
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probably too difficult for the conductor to stop in the exact spot to allow access..
That is always something I've thought about for years, if you look at attraction parks like Disney, you are held back from the platform till the train arrives, once it stops the multiple doors open and you can walk on to the platform and board, and people arriving step out the other side and the operation is smooth.
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Old 12-10-2012, 08:22 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I assume you are addressing me. Are you baiting me? Is that what you are trying to do? Since I have not commented at all in this topic, I am perplexed as to why you are trying to broaden the topic to the area of sexuality?
I'm surprise post #25 didn't upset you......
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Old 12-10-2012, 08:44 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I'm surprise post #25 didn't upset you......
As I mentioned earlier, I have not been following this topic. Now that I've gone and taken a look, yes, Shaw_2112 is being particularly offensive. You probably won't believe me but I have both sympathy and compassion for him and others who make those kinds of statements. I am fairly certain anyone who could make some of those statements that Shaw_2112 made is suffering in his relationships because of it, But I don't expect you or Shaw_2112 to agree or even to understand how that happens. No one gets away with anything. Everything has consequences.
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Old 12-10-2012, 08:48 PM   #35 (permalink)
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A little thread drift but, why don't they put guard rails along the platform so people can't fall onto the tracks quite so easily?
You obviously never spent any time with NYers at rush hour.

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Old 12-11-2012, 03:26 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Maybe if he spoke English and knew how to say "help" he would still be breathing. MAYBE?
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Really? Thats one bias comment, Do you really need to know a language to know someone is screaming in panic because they are going to die and need help, I don't know if he spoke English or not, in this situation is totally irrelevant, is self explanatory, so if you are vacation in Japan and you don't speak Japanese we should let you die if you can't verbalized you need help,
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Based on his earlier comment, I would be OK with that.
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What comment G? You're ok that folks let you die if you don't speak the local lingo?
Sorry, I must have typed it too fast, I will slow down.


If hogcowboy went to Japan on vacation...


and got in a bad situation...


and he cried out for help in English...


and nobody understood him...


and nobody helped him...


and he died...


because he couldn't speak Japanese...


so nobody in Japan understood him...


so they didn't help him...


and he died...


hogcowboy I mean...


hogcowboy died because nobody helped him...


because he cried out in English instead of Japanese...


so he died...


in Japan...


on vacation...


then I would be ok with that...


based on his comment.






Or the short version is, I feel the same way you apparently did when you read his post.
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:09 AM   #37 (permalink)
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I'm going to go back to the original question and the simple answer is yes. We are inundated every day with horror, whether it be the news, the movies, video games, books or whatever. People murdered or killed in horrific fashion in reality and fiction, and the public clamors for more. I'm surprised we haven't brought back the Gladiatorial games. We have become desensitized to death, in fact have a morbid fascination with it. It would not surprise me one bit if those people on the platform had a hidden desire to watch this man die only for the experience of it..
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I'm going to go back to the original question and the simple answer is yes. We are inundated every day with horror, whether it be the news, the movies, video games, books or whatever. People murdered or killed in horrific fashion in reality and fiction, and the public clamors for more. I'm surprised we haven't brought back the Gladiatorial games. We have become desensitized to death, in fact have a morbid fascination with it. It would not surprise me one bit if those people on the platform had a hidden desire to watch this man die only for the experience of it..
Sir I have to disagree with you on this subject. We as a people, have NOT in the last 75 years or so, have had enough personal experience with death. When someone dies, the body is taken away at once, we don't get to look upon death untill the body is already prepared for it's last resting place. Without really knowing what death is personally, we do have a fascination about death.




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Sorry, I must have typed it too fast, I will slow down.


If hogcowboy went to Japan on vacation...


and got in a bad situation...


and he cried out for help in English...


and nobody understood him...


and nobody helped him...


and he died...


because he couldn't speak Japanese...



Or the short version is, I feel the same way you apparently did when you read his post.
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Sir I have to disagree with you on this subject. We as a people, have NOT in the last 75 years or so, have had enough personal experience with death. When someone dies, the body is taken away at once, we don't get to look upon death untill the body is already prepared for it's last resting place. Without really knowing what death is personally, we do have a fascination about death.




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Old 12-11-2012, 01:13 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Sir I have to disagree with you on this subject. We as a people, have NOT in the last 75 years or so, have had enough personal experience with death. When someone dies, the body is taken away at once, we don't get to look upon death untill the body is already prepared for it's last resting place. Without really knowing what death is personally, we do have a fascination about death.




I'll have to disagree, go to 'hood I'll bet if you ask around most people will have seen or know someone who's been murdered/killed etc. I myself have seen the body lying at the end of my street after a robbery. Middle America may not see it personally but the violence we see every day on TV, video games, the movies, etc. all desensitize us from the reality of it.
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Sir I have to disagree with you on this subject. We as a people, have NOT in the last 75 years or so, have had enough personal experience with death. When someone dies, the body is taken away at once, we don't get to look upon death untill the body is already prepared for it's last resting place. Without really knowing what death is personally, we do have a fascination about death.




True, but I think getting hit by a train goes beyond just "death". There is a gory factor to it similar to the things that Shaw mentions in his post.

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Old 12-11-2012, 01:37 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Sir I have to disagree with you on this subject. We as a people, have NOT in the last 75 years or so, have had enough personal experience with death. When someone dies, the body is taken away at once, we don't get to look upon death untill the body is already prepared for it's last resting place. Without really knowing what death is personally, we do have a fascination about death.




Seen a dead body is not the same as seen someone die, total different experience, I had seen dead people before, but I remember as a rookie deputy seen a guy die in front of me, I was attempting CPR with my partner, the guy didn't make,it was a guy about my age at the time, I talked to him and asked him questions just before he went into cardiac arrest, it bothered me for days, it made me realize how simple death was in comparison with how complex life is, in seconds you're no longer here nothing really matters anymore, not to the dead.
As time passed and you see it often you desensitize, you really don't give it much thought, it just becomes a part of your job or a part of life, you accept death much more easily one you have witness it.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:37 PM   #44 (permalink)
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You can point your fingers at "our eroding morality" and blame society for not embracing the ideals and morals of mainstream Christianity as the root cause for repugnant acts like this but i'm certain the cause/effect is much deeper than that. Face it, some people whether East LA gangbangers or Subway trash in NYC have no inherent value on life, their own or anyone elses'. Not to mention in these trying times, joblessness, drug and alcohol abuse and mental health issues (and the lack of treatment) push many people over the edge (here literally). Combine that with just the simple fact that as population increases you have more instances of idiots becoming unhinged in the city. Like too many animals in the zoo.....
I'll bet the freelance photog had to have had enough time to drop his camera and help if he truly wanted to. I don't think basic greed ever went out of style. Some people are just F'ed up from the word go. In the past with old style news reporting we never heard about so much violence, now, any story can be world wide in minutes.
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I'm in the subways pretty often and the one thing I never do while waiting for my ride is stand where anyone can get behind me. Always I put my back against a wall, support column or bill board. I watch people stand near the edge of the platforms with people behind them constantly. Even if not intentional all it takes is for someone behind them to trip or talk into them while not watching what they're doing and they're over the edge. Hell, a would be nut job could take out 5 or 10 people pretty easily.

Same with the train platforms at the stations outside the city. People do the same thing there with the Amtrak or express trains blowing past the platforms easily doing 60 or 70mph.
This is all fine and good, but millions of people don't get pushed onto the tracks everyday, and those who do are usually rescued. This is about an opportunist photographer how chose to make some bucks instead of helping a fellow human being in peril.

I'm glad to see you all taking the motherly Socialistic point of view, rather than your typical uncaring capatilistic stance on this one...

BTW the Japanese American victim was in fact an American citizen and was on his way to renew his U.S. passport.
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