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Old 12-11-2012, 02:01 PM   #46 (permalink)
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That's all Obamacare is, a method to get to national health care. I wonder where the rich folks from other countries will go when America has socialized health care?
America has not even though of socializing health care.

"Obamacare" affects HMS and health insurance companies, nothing more.

Claiming America is socializing healthcare because it is requiring health coverage AND specifically requiring what insurers must cover and how they may perform in order to sell coverage in the US. is like saying requiring car insurance is your state's attempt to socialize Ford...
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The government was not given more power. It already had the power to "provide for the general welfare" of American citizens. As it was, the state of our current medical insurance / HMO system was in shambles and needed an overhaul.

Let's face it - when your insurer could accept your premiums for 20 years and then drop you when you got cancer was NOT what anyone in their right mind conceptualized medical insurance to be.
Explain to us what you think the 'General Welfare' clause means please.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:04 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:07 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Explain to us what you think the 'General Welfare' clause means please.
In this respect, I think providing for the general welfare means revamping a health insurance system when the players were dropping their sick, and refusing to cover those in need because it was more profitable to sell the concept of a product rather than the actual product itself.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:47 PM   #50 (permalink)
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America has not even though of socializing health care.

"Obamacare" affects HMS and health insurance companies, nothing more.

Claiming America is socializing healthcare because it is requiring health coverage AND specifically requiring what insurers must cover and how they may perform in order to sell coverage in the US. is like saying requiring car insurance is your state's attempt to socialize Ford...

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What is Single Payer?
Single-payer is a term used to describe a type of financing system. It refers to one entity acting as administrator, or “payer.” In the case of health care, a single-payer system would be setup such that one entity—a government run organization—would collect all health care fees, and pay out all health care costs.
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I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its gross national product on health care, cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that's what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single-payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. That's what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we've got to take back the White House, we've got to take back the Senate, and we've got to take back the House.
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Once the government controls the financial end of health care, it owns health care for all practical purposes. America has not even though of socializing health care?
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:41 PM   #51 (permalink)
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That goes for all legislation and, couldn't anyone just download the law in PDF and search motorcycle or helmet?
No wait, that would end the speculation...
Yes, anyone who was interested could. But why would wingnuts do that when they can speculate and post their wild eyed assumptions on this thread instead?

The law is likely in multiple PDFs because a 3000 page PDF would get a bit unwieldy in terms of I/O and memory usage.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:54 PM   #52 (permalink)
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In this respect, I think providing for the general welfare means revamping a health insurance system when the players were dropping their sick, and refusing to cover those in need because it was more profitable to sell the concept of a product rather than the actual product itself.
Wow, never read that is any of the Founding Fathers writings.




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Old 12-12-2012, 06:27 AM   #53 (permalink)
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The government was not given more power. It already had the power to "provide for the general welfare" of American citizens. As it was, the state of our current medical insurance / HMO system was in shambles and needed an overhaul.

Let's face it - when your insurer could accept your premiums for 20 years and then drop you when you got cancer was NOT what anyone in their right mind conceptualized medical insurance to be.

Oh I absolutely agree that the Insurance company's need to be held accountable. In some respects the ACA has addressed this. But the point of the entire effort was to make health care "affordable" the question is for who? And will it reduce or even just contain the rise in cost? I don't think so..
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The States will make it mandatory to wear a helmet, like your seatbelt... It will come, just takes a few more head injuries from not wearing one. We don't need one here in Florida, but the idiots texting and driving, fxxxking idiots. They will kill you, if the snowbirds don't.
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Due to LIBTARD mentality we have become nothing but a welfare state. Sooner or later the LIBTARDS will run out of other peoples money to throw away on those who refuse to provide for themselves.

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Old 12-12-2012, 09:33 AM   #56 (permalink)
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Due to LIBTARD mantality we have become nothing but a welfare state. Sooner or later the LIBTARDS will run out of other peoples money to throw away on those who refuse to provide for themselves.
Dude, where have you been??? They've already run out of other people's money. They just haven't figured it out yet.
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Search it for yourself. The word "helmet" does not appear in the document.

BTW, the reason the original certified version is 2409 pages is because it is written like a Dr. Seuss book (only without pictures).

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The first link listed above contains the full text of the Affordable Care Act and the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 in one document. It is not official and is provided for your convenience. The second and third links contain the official certified full text of the law.

Note: The text is searchable within each PDF file. Use 'CTR + F' on your keyboard. If you are looking for a specific page, try to enter just the page number into the search box within the PDF. To save a copy of a PDF to your computer, right click your mouse and select 'save link as' then click the 'save' button.
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Due to LIBTARD mentality we have become nothing but a welfare state. Sooner or later the LIBTARDS will run out of other peoples money to throw away on those who refuse to provide for themselves.
I can't imagine WHY those people will not listen to you and do what you want them to.
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I can't imagine WHY those people will not listen to you and do what you want them to.
Due to a mental disorder called liberalism.
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