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Old 12-04-2012, 06:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Put your name on it Congress

The President submitted his budget plan to avert the "fiscal cliff." He put his name on it, regardless of what you think of it, he deserves a vote.

The House and Senate should both vote on it now (preferraby the Senate, but since Bad-man Harry hasn't put a budget vote on the table for 2-years...then let the House go first.

Quit the backroom horse trading and vote on the President's plan. He put his name on it, now let's see congress give it a thumbs up or thumbs down. The Pubs have been screaming for his "leadership," now that they have it, they want to bury it.

The President's last 2 budgets received zero votes. Zero from the Pubs and Zero from the Dems (and other associated socialists). But maybe the third's the charm. He was just re-elected, he obviously has a "mandate" (of at least 2% of the population). So he deserves a vote.

Mr. Speaker...give the President his day in court.
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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that's not the way Harry works. He wants to obstruct everything. And if Mitch were the Speaker he would behave the same way.
Their only goal is to create as much damage as possible and then blame the other side.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:54 AM   #3 (permalink)
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that's not the way Harry works. He wants to obstruct everything. And if Mitch were the Speaker he would behave the same way.
Their only goal is to create as much damage as possible and then blame the other side.
Obama is the head of the Dem party. If he wanted Harry to bring it to a vote he would. It's Obama's Legislation:

End the cap on the debt limit
Increase taxes on people making more that 200k
A few hundred billion in stimulus spending
and fill the coffers of the empty unemployment cash.

If Harry is being told not to bring it to a vote...fine, then let John bring it to the house...let's see who is willing to back the messiah on this one...

One suggestion I heard is that the Pubs all vote "Present". If even one dem votes for it then it will pass and the pubs will have pinned it to the dems for good. That make sense to me. They can't be called obstructionist (which you know is the plan) and they don't have to be associated with the President's "plan." I say: perfect. Let the dems own it and then send it to harry.
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:55 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Like I said a few weeks ago, vote for every bill they put on the table. If they cannot vote for it, just vote present.
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:26 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I wonder where our lib forum brothers are on this fake fiscal cliff issue. They have been rather quiet. Could it be that they actually find obama's tactics and true desires to have the USA fail problematic and difficult to defend???
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I wonder where our lib forum brothers are on this fake fiscal cliff issue. They have been rather quiet. Could it be that they actually find obama's tactics and true desires to have the USA fail problematic and difficult to defend???
Damn Waffen, how do you do it? You're wrong again.

The reason I've been so quiet is that I've been enjoying watching Planet Wingnut go through the seven stages of grief, although its denizens appear to be stuck on Number 1: shock and denial. Why Boehner actually seems to think he has a bargaining chip with which to pressure the Prez. He doesn't. He has nothing. Personally, I think he's just posturing to appease the Wingnuts in his own party. He knows he lost his testicles on November 6, even if they don't. He's lucky the Dem leadership is even taking his calls.

Personally, the GOP can either fold, or we can go over the cliff for keeps (higher taxes + sequester = the best deficit reduction plan out there, in my view. but really, that's not what the GOP REALLY wants: they want to keep taxes low for their 2 percent base). Yes, it would plunge us into another recession, but many think it would be brief and we would come out much stronger on the other side.

I applaud the president for finally having learned to negotiate with the GOP. No more rolling over to mollify the Right.
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It is not a cliff. It is a slope with no bottom.
Please explain to me the "vote present" thing. How does that work?
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It is not a cliff. It is a slope with no bottom.
Please explain to me the "vote present" thing. How does that work?
Its a Congressman's way of doing nothing.
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Please explain to me the "vote present" thing. How does that work?
It's something Obama excelled in before becoming president. It's something he's continued excelling while being president.
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:07 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Damn Waffen, how do you do it? You're wrong again.

The reason I've been so quiet is that I've been enjoying watching Planet Wingnut go through the seven stages of grief, although its denizens appear to be stuck on Number 1: shock and denial. Why Boehner actually seems to think he has a bargaining chip with which to pressure the Prez. He doesn't. He has nothing. Personally, I think he's just posturing to appease the Wingnuts in his own party. He knows he lost his testicles on November 6, even if they don't. He's lucky the Dem leadership is even taking his calls.

Personally, the GOP can either fold, or we can go over the cliff for keeps (higher taxes + sequester = the best deficit reduction plan out there, in my view. but really, that's not what the GOP REALLY wants: they want to keep taxes low for their 2 percent base). Yes, it would plunge us into another recession, but many think it would be brief and we would come out much stronger on the other side.

I applaud the president for finally having learned to negotiate with the GOP. No more rolling over to mollify the Right.
So like the goose stepping lib you are raising taxes on all people is a good thing. Just trying to get an idea of the enemies plan.
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I wonder where our lib forum brothers are on this fake fiscal cliff issue. They have been rather quiet. Could it be that they actually find obama's tactics and true desires to have the USA fail problematic and difficult to defend???
LOL, well, Casey proved his uncanny skill at using the word wingnut in every sentence, but don't think he managed to actually address the issue. - how unusual.

As I recall, Casey was preparing for the 1000 year reich of the Dem party in 2008 too, only to have the rug pulled out from him in 2010 when the dems went down in flames in the interim election. In fact this presidential election was much much closer than 2008, and it was against a sitting president. The pubs need to stick to what is right and wrong, eventually the dems will finish destroying the economy and the American people will learn their lesson. Patience is all that's called for at this point.

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Please explain to me the "vote present" thing. How does that work?
Obama perfected the method as a jr. senator from Illinois.

In parliamentary procedure a vote of "present" is counted as agreeing to the proposal. The agreemement could mean "no," or "yes" depending on how the proposal is written.

For example: "Should Santa Claus be allowed to carry a handgun in NYC on Christmas eve?

A vote "yes" is recorded as agreeing to the proposal, a vote "no" is recorded as disagreeing, and a vote "present" means you allow the vote to be approved without having to having to actually say "yes." That's because your vote has to be a "no" to count AGAINST the proposal.

This is what I think the pubs should do. Then the Dems will have to thumbs up or thumbs down themselves.
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I agree, Danny Boy, that Harry should put the Prez's proposal to a vote, but I also believe the Orange Man should put his entitlement cuts + "yeah, we're gonna cut some deductions and close some loopholes but not tell you what they are" proposal to a vote in the house as well. Grover's watching though!
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I agree, Danny Boy, that Harry should put the Prez's proposal to a vote, but I also believe the Orange Man should put his entitlement cuts + "yeah, we're gonna cut some deductions and close some loopholes but not tell you what they are" proposal to a vote in the house as well. Grover's watching though!
Won't be necessary if the Pres' plan passes (even if the pubs all vote "present").

The President wants entitlement reform to be dealt with separately. He can submit a "plan" and that can be voted on too.
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It's something Obama excelled in before becoming president. It's something he's continued excelling while being president.
exactly, I'm present or am I ??
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Never negotiate piece by piece. Unfortunately, the Pres. is getting the pubs to bid against themselves. Neither side knows what to do, and the Pres. only cares about sticking it to all small business owners et. al.

We're screwed either way...I especially appreciate the Presidents new spending plan.
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