Is this a fracking joke?

[Mag-it]

Originally Posted by webco2

Let us assume that surface casing is set correctly to depth and bonding is 100%, intermediate is set and 100% bonded to surface and formation, long string is set and bonded to intermediate and formation. Now for the question; I'd like to know how the free gas is making it's way above the cap rock in your example??? If it was not free flowing before drilling and before frac'ing, how can it be now????

What you describe is a perfect situation, and it happens all the time. However, there are areas that it is impossible to get a good cement job on your surface pipe (drilling into caverns is a good example). On alot of these wells there is no intermediate pipe run and cement is not circulated on the production string. In these areas, it should be REQUIRED that a stage tool is run in the production string (200/300 feet below what is determined to be the usable quality water depth) and cement circulated to surface. This would insure that there is no problem with well water being contaminated now or in the future. But, it is not a requirement.

[Shaw_2112]

I'm not a greenie but I think there's too little of an understanding of the long term effects of fracking. Like any new industry we won't know until it's probably too late...

[webco2]

Originally Posted by Mag-it

What you describe is a perfect situation, and it happens all the time. However, there are areas that it is impossible to get a good cement job on your surface pipe (drilling into caverns is a good example). On alot of these wells there is no intermediate pipe run and cement is not circulated on the production string. In these areas, it should be REQUIRED that a stage tool is run in the production string (200/300 feet below what is determined to be the usable quality water depth) and cement circulated to surface. This would insure that there is no problem with well water being contaminated now or in the future. But, it is not a requirement.

I don't know how much surface your setting there. Here we do set surface below shallow fresh water sands. A DV tool is also required in fields where a aquifer is deep. I've also drilled in areas where there were subsurface caverns. As long as you can get returns with drilling mud, you can get returns with cement. Thats what additives and light weight cement is for. Only place you don't get returns is while " Gas Drilling ", I.E. Canyon Gas Field, Sonora Tx. , etc etc.
There is no reason to " lose a water sand" with running the correct drilling program. It's routine to block squeeze pay zones before perforating for production.

I still don't know how "free gas" is getting above the cap rock tho???

[webco2]

Originally Posted by Shaw_2112

I'm not a greenie but I think there's too little of an understanding of the long term effects of fracking. Like any new industry we won't know until it's probably too late...

New??? Been frac'ng in Texas for over 40 years now without any problems. But I guess thats " new ".

[Shaw_2112]

Originally Posted by webco2

New??? Been frac'ng in Texas for over 40 years now without any problems. But I guess thats " new ".

40 years on a geological timescale isn't even a blink of an eye...

[James]

If we drain all of the oil out, sooner or later the motor is going to lock up.

[hardheaded]

Originally Posted by RGRider

What are they supposed to be about? Charity?

it's suppose to be about profits ,what i'm saying is the refiners made record profits last year and they came in wanting the unions to take a pay cut some as much as $9.00 an hour.i would't have a problem giving some concessions if they were in trouble but their not.i was a contruction worker and ran many big jobs over the years,but had to deal with the lying and cheating contractors and then the refinery reps. never would give enough time to do the job,push, push push, times have changed from the way it was in the old days when quality was #1,now it's nothing but run your ass off all day and you can't do enough for them.when the corporations are doing good they should spread the weatlh around alittle.

[<G Man>]

Originally Posted by webco2

New??? Been frac'ng in Texas for over 40 years now without any problems. But I guess thats " new ".

Really? Not a single problem? Ever?

Finally, a perfect process!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...lems-view.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christop...y-connections/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/13/us...sues.html?_r=0

http://stateimpact.npr.org/texas/tag/fracking/

http://stateimpact.npr.org/texas/201...o-earthquakes/

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...th-wastewater/

http://earthjustice.org/features/cam...s-and-fracking

[webco2]

Originally Posted by <G Man>

Really? Not a single problem? Ever?

Finally, a perfect process!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...lems-view.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christop...y-connections/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/13/us...sues.html?_r=0

http://stateimpact.npr.org/texas/tag/fracking/

http://stateimpact.npr.org/texas/201...o-earthquakes/

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...th-wastewater/

http://earthjustice.org/features/cam...s-and-fracking

Kind Sir; May,Might,Could.... not a single example of DID.

[<G Man>]

Not sure what DID is, but I suppose it has something to do with a different idea of what "without any problems" means.

[compressor#v]

Not an expert on "fracking", but I have spent 40 years working for a natural gas company. From what I've heard fracking can be done very safely. Mainly, it's whats done with water that's returned to the surface during the process itself. The notion that deep injected fluids can migrate to groundwater is a myth. Basic geology prevents this, from what I understand. Companies that don't act responsibly got helping hand when G.W. Bush signed the 2005 energy bill which has the Halliburton loophole embedded in it, that deregulates fracking.
The documentary that shows the faucet with flames coming out (Colorado) was found that when drilling the well for the homeowner a pocket of methane (naturally occuring) was hit.

[webco2]

Originally Posted by <G Man>

Not sure what DID is, but I suppose it has something to do with a different idea of what "without any problems" means.

Ok, baby steps. Not a single example of frac'ng being the dirrect cause of gas leaking into or out of any fresh water sands .

Do you really want to debate the legal meaning of " is " now?????

[compressor#v]

I will also add that fracking is manufacturing intensive...= creates a lot of jobs. 20% of the costs on a well is spent on steel alone, (but who knows where the steel comes from), but the fact that fracking requires a lot of labor is good for the economy.

[webco2]

Originally Posted by compressor#v

Not an expert on "fracking", but I have spent 40 years working for a natural gas company. From what I've heard fracking can be done very safely. Mainly, it's whats done with water that's returned to the surface during the process itself. The notion that deep injected fluids can migrate to groundwater is a myth. Basic geology prevents this, from what I understand. Companies that don't act responsibly got helping hand when G.W. Bush signed the 2005 energy bill which has the Halliburton loophole embedded in it, that deregulates fracking.
The documentary that shows the faucet with flames coming out (Colorado) was found that when drilling the well for the homeowner a pocket of methane (naturally occuring) was hit.

Halliburton is sure to take the hit everytime. You do know there are more than just the one company? Dow is number two now and moving on up.

[<G Man>]

Originally Posted by webco2

Ok, baby steps. Not a single example of frac'ng being the dirrect cause of gas leaking into or out of any fresh water sands .

Do you really want to debate the legal meaning of " is " now?????

No debates on "is" please.

There do seem to be other potential "challenges" (since there are no problems) regarding safe disposal of the used waste chem/water, minor earthquakes and air quality (that's not to mention the social issues in areas that are now being flooded with people moving in for jobs and taxing the available housing, utilities, schools, etc.).

Can all of these things be dealt with? Of course they can.

Will they all be dealt with? Maybe.

Should the idea of fracking be abandoned because of the potential problems? I don't think so.

But to say this process has happened for 40 years "without any problems" might qualify you for a Senate seat.