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Old 11-18-2012, 02:40 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Removing your money from your bank is smart, before it gets converted over. What happens when the immigrants leave Texas? Think about it, and there's no stopping them. What if Mexico wanted Texas back, it wouldn't be under the protection of the U.S.A. The drug gangs would move right in.

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Old 11-18-2012, 03:55 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Was that when Mexico owned it, which might want it back.

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Old 11-18-2012, 05:00 PM   #18 (permalink)
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The sad part of the whole thing is that either through what our country has become, or what our population has become there are that many people willing to sign a petition, no longer willing to stand by the United States of America. Divided we fall.
The American population has become un-governable ........
What's the future of America?
Twenty years 'down the road' ..... major industry-foreign owned, in financial default, a younger population unwilling to work-expecting government assistance, a younger population with an attitude of entitlement.
The list goes on, and on, and on .........
Twenty years from now ...... where will you be?
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:08 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Just curious, how many posters on here from a state with a petition circulating have, or given the opportunity would sign?
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:23 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Yes there is. I started it. We are going to become the Nation of Luvs. I will be the Grand Leader.
OH FU(K NO!!!!!!!

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Old 11-18-2012, 05:41 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Just curious, how many posters on here from a state with a petition circulating have, or given the opportunity would sign?
I have not because, 1) Secession will not take place in the near future if at all so it's useless to sign the petition. 2) In case the feds take this seriously I don't want my name on their list. 3) I really don't want Louisiana or any other state to part from the union. I'd rather the union straighten up.

Having said that, I certainly understand and share the frustration.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:18 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Just curious, how many posters on here from a state with a petition circulating have, or given the opportunity would sign?
Colorado has one and no I will not sign the petition. If you don't like the USA leave, or get involved and make sure to vote.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:23 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Not signing either. I want more free stuff from BHO instead.

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Old 11-18-2012, 06:59 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Was that when Mexico owned it, which might want it back.

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No Sir , that was after we kicked Mexico out.

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Old 11-18-2012, 08:03 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I have not because, 1) Secession will not take place in the near future if at all so it's useless to sign the petition. 2) In case the feds take this seriously I don't want my name on their list. 3) I really don't want Louisiana or any other state to part from the union. I'd rather the union straighten up.

Having said that, I certainly understand and share the frustration.
I agree, I would rather see us pull it together but every year my doubts grow that we have the ability.

I am surprised (after seeing many or your posts) that you would have the ambivalence towards signing a petition because "it won't matter" my presidential vote did not matter in Massachusetts because of how I cast it, (and I figured it wouldn't but I voted because so many have fought for my right to have my voice heard)

How many people are holding back from demonstrating their displeasure because they have a fear of the federal government? The fact that the federal government has that affect, on anyone in our country; indicates we are far from the vision our founding fathers, and the army of citizens that has defended our constitution for so many years held for us.

That being said, I know the state I live (MA) in will probably welcome socialism with open arms, I am left to wonder, if a state were to secede, would I move my family there? The answer is not an easy one as a Patriot I a very displeased with the direction we are heading. On the flip side as a Patriot I feel backed into a corner.
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:15 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Yes there is. I started it. We are going to become the Nation of Luvs. I will be the Grand Leader.

But seriously, take a look at Texas. They have in excess of 100,000 signatures. I wonder where this will lead.
If we become the NOL, then I fear we are SOL.

Texas is part of the nation?

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Let 'em all secede I say.
Then we can declare war, invade them and steal their oil...
So who exactly is declaring war and who gets invaded?

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I love petitions. If they want to secede, let them. If you don't live in their state why would you care? Scram!
Um, I do live in NC. I was curious how others who live in states with petitions feel about it. Are you drinking again?

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An amusing fact about the states that want to secede is that all but Texas use more federal tax dollars than they contribute. How's that for irony?

Some examples of amount used/returned to each state for each $1 contributed to the feds:

Texas = .94
Louisana = 1.45
Alabama = 1.71
South Carloina = 1.38
Missouri = 1.29
North Dakota = 1.73
South Dakota = 1.49
Montana = 1.58
(so much for the self supporting rugged individual west)

BTW, some blue states

Michigan = .85
New York = .79
Colorado = .79
Washington = .88
Oregon = .97
California .79

So much for the idea of the blue states sucking money from the coffers of you red staters. Innit a bitch when reality interferes with ideology?

Let 'em secede and pay their own way!

Tax and revenue data from the nonpartisan Tax Foundation.
That's very interesting data. What is NC's number?

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IMHO the petitions are a form of protest to the federal government. A protest that many are tired of the feds doing what they wish irregardless of the Constitution. I doubt that many people that signed the petition really want secession.

What I find more disturbing is how citizens silently and contently go about their lives without protesting while our government runs up a huge debt, wages war on others even though they have not attacked us, makes laws that infringe on civil rights in the name of "security" and gives our tax dollars to private companies. The federal government has granted itself unprecedented powers. This is what our founders intended to prevent.
I agree with the protest idea.

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Just curious, how many posters on here from a state with a petition circulating have, or given the opportunity would sign?
I don't plan to sign, but I find it interesting. I wouldn't want this to happen, but I wonder if the threat of several states seceding would have any impact on federal government. It seems akin to a worker strike, the workers don't really want to but they hope the threat will make someone take notice of their needs/demands.

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The sad part of the whole thing is that either through what our country has become, or what our population has become there are that many people willing to sign a petition, no longer willing to stand by the United States of America.
Certainly, divided states is not the vision our founding fathers had but neither is the government we have now. The settlers of this nation made tough choices to get away from their government. The difference is that we don't have a place to hop in a boat and go to to start over.

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Divided we fall.
Do you not think we are already divided and falling?

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The American population has become un-governable ........
What's the future of America?
Twenty years 'down the road' ..... major industry-foreign owned, in financial default, a younger population unwilling to work-expecting government assistance, a younger population with an attitude of entitlement.
The list goes on, and on, and on .........
Twenty years from now ...... where will you be?
Interesting question from an outsider (I don't mean that in a bad way, just objective) I think that most people really don't seriously consider this question.

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Colorado has one and no I will not sign the petition. If you don't like the USA leave, or get involved and make sure to vote.
That's an interesting comment in the context of this forum. Most of the threads I read in R&P are nothing more than rants about the happenings in our government. It seems that your statement would imply that most of the R&P posters should leave the country.

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I agree, I would rather see us pull it together but every year my doubts grow that we have the ability.

I am surprised (after seeing many or your posts) that you would have the ambivalence towards signing a petition because "it won't matter" my presidential vote did not matter in Massachusetts because of how I cast it, (and I figured it wouldn't but I voted because so many have fought for my right to have my voice heard)

How many people are holding back from demonstrating their displeasure because they have a fear of the federal government? The fact that the federal government has that affect, on anyone in our country; indicates we are far from the vision our founding fathers, and the army of citizens that has defended our constitution for so many years held for us.

That being said, I know the state I live (MA) in will probably welcome socialism with open arms, I am left to wonder, if a state were to secede, would I move my family there? The answer is not an easy one as a Patriot I a very displeased with the direction we are heading. On the flip side as a Patriot I feel backed into a corner.
That is a powerful word that I think may be overused.

From dictionary.com
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1. a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.

2. a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, especially of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.
I wonder where most people would draw the line between being an actual defender or just a complainer.
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:52 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Um, I do live in NC. I was curious how others who live in states with petitions feel about it. Are you drinking again?
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:07 AM   #28 (permalink)
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G-Man, check this link. It has all states on it but the graphic is a mofo to read. Also just google "federal tax contributions and use by state" and you'll find more stuff.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...leaning-state/
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:01 AM   #29 (permalink)
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And what conclusions do we draw from that? There are higher concentrations of wealth in states that vote for Democrats? That the Democratic party represents the wealthier citizens and not the lower and middle class? Does tax use include bailing out the banks and financial institutions? Many of those are in the northeast where the map shows the spending per $ is lower. And finally, if federal tax dollars are disproportionally distributed to "red" states why would Democrats support the idea of wealth redistribution?
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G-Man, check this link. It has all states on it but the graphic is a mofo to read. Also just google "federal tax contributions and use by state" and you'll find more stuff.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...leaning-state/
Thanks Lefty. I will check this out later.
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