ObamaCare Layoffs - Elections have Consequences

[webco2]

Originally Posted by James

Ask him about this rumor I have heard. I heard the software that plans their route almost entirely eliminate left turns to save time.

Also in my area a UPS driver makes about 3 dollars more per hour, to deliver nice clean packages with a weight limit.

70 lb weight limit per person. Left turns are eliminated for SAFETY reasons.

[RGRider]

Originally Posted by Waffen

How about 85K per year, HC, 90% pension after 5 years, and a stipend to parents of say 25K to aid in the kids education.

After all the teachers and parents are the reason we are number 1 in the world, right?

We're #1?

Maybe in cost per pupil.

[utrvp]

Originally Posted by James

I already said what I feel they should be paid. Upper middle class professions. Now how about you? You want to answer my questions about whether or not you have a degree? Just tell me what degree you have and I'll tell you what you are worth.

The market has as much to do with determining how much you get paid as your skill or education. If you work in an area where there is a shortage of doctors then you make more as a doctor than someplace where there are plenty of doctors. Also it is not as much what you do as it is how many people can or are willing to do what you do. If a city has plenty of teachers but a shortage of trashmen then the trashmen most likely wil make more than the teachers. In the 60's physchology was the hot subject in college and a lot of students majored in phsychology. The problem was come graduation time there were so many people looking for jobs in physocholoy that many students ended up working at K-Mart rather than in the physcholgy field or working in the field but for much less than they expected to make.

[compressor#v]

"Originally Posted by Markk9
Teachers should be paid based on job performance, starting at 25K a year,"

How silly. You think someone will shell out for a degree, for 25K? You can make nearly that at mickey-d's

[Hamilton]

Originally Posted by James

Hamilton, whatever you do for a living someone is willing to do it for less money. Are you over paid?

I work construction - no pension, no medical, no holidays - nothing. My pay is determined by my bids, which are up against the Mexicans and the Koreans. If my bid is too high - tuff luck. So you see, I'm up against the market everyday a bid goes out.

I bet you make 4 times the money I do.

[baggerman11]

it's only going to get worse. more taxes for those of you who work, more taxes for us ho live off investment income, taxes on military retired pay went up last march by 500%. for those of you who voted for him, all I got's to say is "thank you, thank you very much". now live with it like the rest of us who pay taxes so so many can live better off the government than by working. I want a raise on my SS and in my military retirement. think I'll ever see it. that dream is over.

[Waffen]

Originally Posted by RGRider

We're #1?

Maybe in cost per pupil.

After all the teachers and parents are the reason we are number 1 in the world

Bingo. Spending yes, but certainly not in academic achievement and the unions want more pay and $$$ per pupil.

W

[thrasher]

Originally Posted by Waffen

Bingo. Spending yes, but certainly not in academic achievement and the unions want more pay and $$$ per pupil.

W

Universities in the U.S. are some of the best in the world. We have more towards the top than any other nation in the world. So much so that a lot of foreigners come here to get their degrees. When I got my degrees, it was that way; its even much more so now. Yes, some of the universities are private, but many are state funded.

Here's a list of the top 400 in the world:
http://www.usnews.com/education/worl...s-in-the-world

[thrasher]

Originally Posted by lucille

What does having a degree mean? ....... many 'smart' folks have them, and many 'smart' folks can't put their shoes on the right foot ...

Would you want to be treated by a doctor who did not have a PhD in medicine?

Would you want to be defended in court by a lawyer who did not have a law degree?

[claytp1]

Originally Posted by thrasher

Dude, we still have those old style trucks with the guy that rides on the back and hops out. He rolls his big two-wheeled trash-can up my driveway, empties the trash cans I leave near my back door, and then back to the truck to dump it.

You mean you can't help the poor bugger out and put the trash at the end of the driveway? No way that guy is covering 750 homes in a day. Even when I was a kid and we had that type of truck, we put the can's by the street side.

[guydoc77]

thrasher, for the record Medical Doctors don't usually have Phd degrees. We have M.D degrees. Some go on to get a Phd but it doesn't really enable them to do a whole lot more unless they want to do research or teach in a University system.

Speaking of the market. A very good friend of mine, whom I've know for 25 years, works as a directional driller in the oil patch. I got to know him when we both drove over the road truck. He's got an 8th grade education and presently makes about $300K/year doing directional drilling. He steers the bit, so to speak. A very skilled job. He worked his way up as a rough neck, line truck operator, and other jobs in the oil field. He now is an independent contractor for directional drilling. It also helps that he is very mechanically inclined and if ANYTHING breaks on the rig, he can supervise the repair, or repair it himself. I am delighted that he does this well. More power to him. For the most part, the last 8 years or so, he has worked nights, 12 hour shifts, 7 days a week until all the holes are punched at a site and the rig moves. He may be out for a couple months at a time. Often he is more than a thousand miles from home and lives in the "man camp" on the site. Always, he is at least a hundred miles from home and even then, given the length of his shifts, he lives on site. He is married and has two daughters aged 8 (twins). And you can bet your ass he is pissed about folks saying he isn't paying his fair share in taxes, or that he's "rich" because he makes a certain income. And no, the oil field is not union. Neither is he. Never has been.

[DJW]

Guy, your friend is clearly a hater (like me).

Last of a dying breed of angry white individualists.

It's people like that, that draw the herd away from the corral. Such behavior cannot be tolerated in the new America.

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few - or the one." - Spock

[thrasher]

Originally Posted by claytp1

You mean you can't help the poor bugger out and put the trash at the end of the driveway? No way that guy is covering 750 homes in a day. Even when I was a kid and we had that type of truck, we put the can's by the street side.

My particular community pays extra for having trash picked up at the back door. Much more sightly. Heavy trash is picked up curbside, though. There are usually three guys per truck: one driver and two collectors.

[James]

Originally Posted by thrasher

My particular community pays extra for having trash picked up at the back door. Much more sightly. Heavy trash is picked up curbside, though.

We service a few communties that has the back door service. One town in particular has most of the garbage cans under ground in what they call sunken cans. It sucks finding their garbage after a heavy snowfall and sometimes the lids are frozen shut. A lot of the cans are rusted out on the bottom so you have to get down on your knees and pull the bags out. Some communties offer twice a week service.

[thrasher]

Originally Posted by James

We service a few communties that has the back door service. One town in particular has most of the garbage cans under ground in what they call sunken cans. It sucks finding their garbage after a heavy snowfall and sometimes the lids are frozen shut. A lot of the cans are rusted out on the bottom so you have to get down on your knees and pull the bags out. Some communties offer twice a week service.

Ouch! Never heard of underground trash cans, but then again, I live in the south. Sounds terrible for the collectors. They still use steel cans, and underground nonetheless?,... doesn't sound like a great idea. You'd need a metal detector to find the cans after a snowfall!