Why Obama won

[Uncle Salty]

Originally Posted by Eleft36

Yes they do, it's no longer a "conservative" organization.

The GOP and the Tea party "savages" true conservative GOP candidates.

Romney got "what goes around comes around" for his $15,000,000 Florida $hit show during the primary.

The Tea Party Movement is an all-inclusive American grassroots movement with the belief that everyone is created equal and deserves an equal opportunity to thrive in these United States where they may “pursue life, liberty and happiness” as stated in the Declaration of Independence and guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States.

The Tea Party goals are:
1) Eliminate Excessive Taxes
2) Eliminate the National Debt
3) Eliminate Deficit Spending
4) Protect Free Markets
5) Abide by the Constitution of the United States
6) Promote Civic Responsibility
7) Reduce the Overall Size of Government
8) Believe in the People
9) Avoid the Pitfalls of Politics
10) Maintain Local Independence

Can you explain your comment in bold print concerning the Tea Party?

[compressor#v]

" I'm going out on a limb here, but I think Street may have unconsciously illustrated women voters' problems with the Republican party."

Exactly. Except it was totally conscious. It's the result of following the likes of Limbarge.

[streetg]

Originally Posted by Lucky Lyndy

WF-Fluff is this about? I don't know any women who vote the way their husbands or significant others tell them to vote. I think this is a slanted and dangerous way of setting back the vision of the manner in which American women think and behave.

As far as the suggestion that American ladies voted with our privates, if you mean that women believe BHO is attractive and so deserves to be the POTUS, your thought process is wrong on every possible level. Just two of so many objections this comment raises - the bitter angry little man who encouraged people to vote for "revenge" is negative and universally unattractive, and certainly someone so mean and vengeful will not a good president make. Also, women no more vote with their privates than men do. Most women are far more intelligent and complex than you give them credit for being, especially when it comes to voting. If women were as ridiculous as you suggest in their manner of thinking, they would never have been given the right to vote (and they wouldn't have noticed they were missing out, anyway).

No, Lindy, I wasn't suggesting anyone voted for OB based on looks.
Ya, bad wording choice with the P word, !sometimes I forget there are ladies on here from time to time, your the only one I can think of and I haven't seen you around for awhile. Apologies for the wording.
I was crudely trying to say that the libs,for a lot of women, made this election all about birth control and abortion. To me, and to more than a couple conservative leaning women I've talked to, thats treating then very disrespectfully.

[Casey0211]

Originally Posted by Uncle Salty

What specifically do you disagree with Rand Paul about? I have to admit I haven't been exposed to much of his ideas but what I have seen seems logical. I've seen him publicly oppose Romney's military funding, speak against foreign aid vs keeping the money here to aid our citizens, speak about compromising with Democrats on military spending to help our budget and several other common sense ideas. I'd be glad to hear what issue you have with Rand.

He is a Tea Party extremist who opposed raising the debt ceiling. That's one. His support for the so-called "Human Life Amendment" and opposition to all abortions even in cases of rape and incest, is another. He's also been wishy-washy on the Civil Rights Act's prohibiting businesses from discriminating against minorities. Issues of rights for minorities and women are not big concerns for conservatives, who like Paul are mostly male and white, but they are to me. In fact, they are deal-breakers. I operate under the theory of "What profiteth a man etc ..."

But this is thread drift.

[Michael Psycle]

I think Obama won because deep down I think a lot of people who might have voted for Romney just didn't trust him. I'm not talking about his flip flop on issues here. There was just something disingenuous about the man that I think many voters perceived and was turned off. Romney in effect scared them out of voting for him by his personality and the way he was when he was spontaneous.

Another reason, and this is a vast oversimplification is that the Republicans overplayed their hand coming out of 2010. It was as if they truly believe the hype and spin they were selling and thought others would buy it. Their zeal clouded their view of the reality of the electorate and caused them to write off large sections of the electorate that eventually voted for Obama.

[Casey0211]

Originally Posted by Michael Psycle

I think Obama won because deep down I think a lot of people who might have voted for Romney just didn't trust him. I'm not talking about his flip flop on issues here. There was just something disingenuous about the man that I think many voters perceived and was turned off. Romney in effect scared them out of voting for him by his personality and the way he was when he was spontaneous.

Another reason, and this is a vast oversimplification is that the Republicans overplayed their hand coming out of 2010. It was as if they truly believe the hype and spin they were selling and thought others would buy it. Their zeal clouded their view of the reality of the electorate and caused them to write off large sections of the electorate that eventually voted for Obama.

Demographics -- and the party's half-century of stoking certain resentments with things like the Southern strategy -- doomed the GOP. It took a few years, but the roosters have finally come home to roost. Republicans simply cannot win if there's a good turnout -- hence the effort to throw roadblocks to voting under the guise of eliminating "voter fraud."

Just about every demographic group (all but one, really), from minorities to youths to women, went to Obama big time. And the margin is only going to get larger as time goes by.

[HiAngle]

Politico ran a pretty good article on GOP challenges.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories...7.html?hp=t1_3


I haven't been able to find an article about Texas, Georgia, and Arizona potentially becoming states that could be "in play" for the Democrats but I have heard it on a few political shows. That argument is defended by using the latest census data. I don't know much about Texas and Arizona but I know enough about Georgia that I can see it being plausible.

[thrasher]

Originally Posted by HiAngle

Politico ran a pretty good article on GOP challenges.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories...7.html?hp=t1_3


I haven't been able to find an article about Texas, Georgia, and Arizona potentially becoming states that could be "in play" for the Democrats but I have heard it on a few political shows. That argument is defended by using the latest census data. I don't know much about Texas and Arizona but I know enough about Georgia that I can see it being plausible.

Its very plausible that Texas will be a highly contested state in 2016, mostly because of the continued influx of Mexican immigrants, the large majority of whom vote Democratic. I predict that Texas will become a huge battleground state with its (currently) 38 electoral votes.

The popular vote numbers for this 2012 election in Texas were:

4,555,799 (Romney) to 3,294,440 (Obama).

[HDizzle]

1. True dat; The Hispanics put Obama in the White House.

2. What was more scarier to a minority than Romney? Paul Ryan.
Believe that.

[1bdBagr]

Originally Posted by thrasher

Its very plausible that Texas will be a highly contested state in 2016, mostly because of the continued influx of Mexican immigrants, the large majority of whom vote Democratic. I predict that Texas will become a huge battleground state with its (currently) 38 electoral votes.

The popular vote numbers for this 2012 election in Texas were:

4,555,799 (Romney) to 3,294,440 (Obama).

I take it you've never been to California....
Tim

[thrasher]

Originally Posted by 1bdBagr

I take it you've never been to California....
Tim

Well, I have,... many times, and still do. I'm well aware of the numbers of Democrat vs Republican voters. However, California is not a battleground state. The whole point of my post was to illustrate how and why Texas has high probability of becoming a battleground state in 2016 and beyond.

[1bdBagr]

Originally Posted by thrasher

Well, I have,... many times, and still do. I'm well aware of the numbers of Democrat vs Republican voters. However, California is not a battleground state. The whole point of my post was to illustrate how and why Texas has high probability of becoming a battleground state in 2016 and beyond.

I got that lol, Latinos are on their way to becoming the most populist race here in CA. Most of the local communities are already very predominately latino. I very much believe that Latinos are going to control much of CA when they learn to organize and choose their battles as a common voice. They are taking back CA without firing a shot.
Tim

[thrasher]

Originally Posted by 1bdBagr

I got that lol, Latinos are on their way to becoming the most populist race here in CA. Most of the local communities are already very predominately latino. I very much believe that Latinos are going to control much of CA when they learn to organize and choose their battles as a common voice. They are taking back CA without firing a shot.
Tim

I hear ya.

A matter of fact, as of 2011, Houston, which is the largest city in Texas, and the fourth largest city in the U.S., is majority hispanic.

[Michael Psycle]

Originally Posted by thrasher

A matter of fact, as of 2011, Houston, which is the largest city in Texas, and the fourth largest city in the U.S., is majority hispanic.

Mexicans grow up being taught that the California and the American southwest was formerly the northern half of Mexico before it was taken by the US in a war, and it still referred to as such by many Mexicans. Many in Mexico still feel that this is part of their ancient homeland.

For those of you who are unaware of the following, let me give you some perspective. In 1492, when Columbus and other Spanish explorers began exploring this area, Mexico was the largest country in the world by population under the control of a central government. It was shrunk to its present size because of a number of wars.

So, when Mexicans move, legally or otherwise to what we call California and the American southwest, from the perspective of the Mexicans they are going to what was and in their minds still is the northern half of Mexico. They feel like we are the invaders of their country and have no right to be here.

[Lefty]

The only solution to the problem is to annex Mexico.