Why Obama won

[Lefty]

Originally Posted by jammer45u

Adjustments for sure. But abandoning what you feel is right for what you feel will win makes you a Democrat. We still need two parties.

Are saying that saying stupid $hit and alienating women and Hispanics are core principles of the GOP?


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[jammer45u]

Originally Posted by Lefty

Are saying that saying stupid $hit and alienating women and Hispanics are core principles of the GOP?


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No. Fiscal responsibality, less government intrusion in private lives, strong military. That is what I feel the GOP stands for. I was saying they shouldn't drop those principals.
Guess I wasn't very clear.
I don't know if the pubs make more stupid comments than the libs. But I don't think they get the passes from media the libs do.
If alienating Hispanics means securing our borders and enforcing immigration laws I think we need to think very long before abandoning those principals. Hispanics are hard working, proud, productive members of our society who I feel agree with the need to enforce our immigration laws. But we need to do it with respect.

[Lefty]

Originally Posted by jammer45u

No. Fiscal responsibality, less government intrusion in private lives, strong military. That is what I feel the GOP stands for. I was saying they shouldn't drop those principals.
Guess I wasn't very clear.
I don't know if the pubs make more stupid comments than the libs. But I don't think they get the passes from media the libs do.
If alienating Hispanics means securing our borders and enforcing immigration laws I think we need to think very long before abandoning those principals. Hispanics are hard working, proud, productive members of our society who I feel agree with the need to enforce our immigration laws. But we need to do it with respect.

Well put. Being supportive of citizens of Hispanic ancestry and favoring real enforcement of our immigration laws is a tough line to walk.

I'm afraid though that we disagree on some other principles though since I'm a born again, evangelical Christian libertarian that believes neither immorality nor morality can or should be legislated.


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[DJW]

Originally Posted by HiAngle

As I read a lot of the posts he today, I can't help but notice the "doomsday" and "falling sky" predictions. Invest in Smith and Wesson? Prepare for the end of times? That's the crap that isn't resonating with anybody but the outer fringe.

LOL. Who said anything about "doomsday?" Have you checked their stock lately?

[jammer45u]

Originally Posted by Lefty

I'm afraid though that we disagree on some other principles though since I'm a born again, evangelical Christian libertarian that believes neither immorality nor morality can or should be legislated.


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Not quite sure where you're going there. Are you talking about pro life/pro choice?

[HiAngle]

Considering you acknowledge you don't invest in the stock market, you're probably one of the last people I would take investing advice from. But if I were to follow your investing advice, I'd be screwed because everybody keeps guaranteeing that during Obama's second term, he will abolish the 2nd amendment. Doesn't make sense to invest in a soon to be failing industry.

[Lefty]

Originally Posted by jammer45u

Not quite sure where you're going there. Are you talking about pro life/pro choice?

I'm 100% pro life.


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[Lefty]

Originally Posted by HiAngle

Considering you acknowledge you don't invest in the stock market, you're probably one of the last people I would take investing advice from. But if I were to follow your investing advice, I'd be screwed because everybody keeps guaranteeing that during Obama's second term, he will abolish the 2nd amendment. Doesn't make sense to invest in a soon to be failing industry.

Here's the plan, Hi . . .

Buy S&W Monday, just prior to the market in general recovering from post election fatigue. Sell it in early July a few days after their earning's report stock rise. With you profits buy ammo and firearms from yahoos that believed the 2nd Amendment would be repealed, then realized they don't like having a gun around. You can find these guys embarrassingly unloading at gun shows. Hang around outside. The best part of this method of acquisition is there is no ownership record attached to you.

This is exactly what I did in '09, and I got several new firearms, boatloads of ammo, and a big pile of silver also. Works like a charm.

Or, you can piss and moan about Obama ruining you life. Your choice.


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[Uncle Salty]

Obama hasn't publicly pursued any gun control legislation during his first term but on October 16th in the second debate with Romney he stated he thought we needed to "get an assault weapons ban reintroduced." He also gave a hint of other measures with this comment, "But part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence. Because frankly, in my home town of Chicago, there's an awful lot of violence and they're not using AK-47s. They're using cheap hand guns."

Call it the chicken little syndrome if you want but it sounds to me like Obama wouldn't mind pushing for some gun control measures in his second term.

[Lucky Lyndy]

Originally Posted by streetg

I agree with most of that Left, but were you joking bout most women vote how their man tells them? Kind of an obsolete way of looking at things. Anyway, seems a lots of woman voted with their pussies, and their pussies only, which is also supposedly obsolete too.

WF-Fluff is this about? I don't know any women who vote the way their husbands or significant others tell them to vote. I think this is a slanted and dangerous way of setting back the vision of the manner in which American women think and behave.

As far as the suggestion that American ladies voted with our privates, if you mean that women believe BHO is attractive and so deserves to be the POTUS, your thought process is wrong on every possible level. Just two of so many objections this comment raises - the bitter angry little man who encouraged people to vote for "revenge" is negative and universally unattractive, and certainly someone so mean and vengeful will not a good president make. Also, women no more vote with their privates than men do. Most women are far more intelligent and complex than you give them credit for being, especially when it comes to voting. If women were as ridiculous as you suggest in their manner of thinking, they would never have been given the right to vote (and they wouldn't have noticed they were missing out, anyway).

[Casey0211]

Quote:

Originally Posted by streetg
I agree with most of that Left, but were you joking bout most women vote how their man tells them? Kind of an obsolete way of looking at things. Anyway, seems a lots of woman voted with their pussies, and their pussies only, which is also supposedly obsolete too.

Originally Posted by Lucky Lyndy

WF-Fluff is this about? I don't know any women who vote the way their husbands or significant others tell them to vote. I think this is a slanted and dangerous way of setting back the vision of the manner in which American women think and behave.

As far as the suggestion that American ladies voted with our privates, if you mean that women believe BHO is attractive and so deserves to be the POTUS, your thought process is wrong on every possible level. Just two of so many objections this comment raises - the bitter angry little man who encouraged people to vote for "revenge" is negative and universally unattractive, and certainly someone so mean and vengeful will not a good president make. Also, women no more vote with their privates than men do. Most women are far more intelligent and complex than you give them credit for being, especially when it comes to voting. If women were as ridiculous as you suggest in their manner of thinking, they would never have been given the right to vote (and they wouldn't have noticed they were missing out, anyway).

lol -- I'm going out on a limb here, but I think Street may have unconsciously illustrated women voters' problems with the Republican party.

[DJW]

Originally Posted by HiAngle

Considering you acknowledge you don't invest in the stock market, you're probably one of the last people I would take investing advice from. But if I were to follow your investing advice, I'd be screwed because everybody keeps guaranteeing that during Obama's second term, he will abolish the 2nd amendment. Doesn't make sense to invest in a soon to be failing industry.

Ummm....yeah...that's the point.

See the date on this thread?
http://www.v-twinforum.com/forums/gu...ales-boom.html

But you're right...I'm not as smart as Lefty who saw it coming 3 years ago.

Don't take my word for it...afterall I just hate Veterans, Women and Grandma: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...e-elected.html

[HiAngle]

Originally Posted by DJW

Ummm....yeah...that's the point.

See the date on this thread?
http://www.v-twinforum.com/forums/gu...ales-boom.html

But you're right...I'm not as smart as Lefty who saw it coming 3 years ago.

WTF is your point? As a gun owner and someone who has a CWP, I'm glad S&W is doing well. They make great weapons. But as someone who invests with a strategy that is not defined as a day trader, I look at company performances that cover much longer time periods than a few days or even a few months. For example, over a 5 yr period, their stock is down slightly.

[Eleft36]

Originally Posted by Lefty

Maybe the GOP needs to make some changes, but what do I know, I'm viewed as a libtard.

Yes they do, it's no longer a "conservative" organization.

The GOP and the Tea party "savages" true conservative GOP candidates.

Romney got "what goes around comes around" for his $15,000,000 Florida $hit show during the primary.

[Uncle Salty]

Originally Posted by Casey0211

I used to vote Republicans regularly. In fact, up until George W. Bush, I was evenly split in my presidential votes: half for Democrats and half for Republicans. But I just can't anymore. The party is overrun with Michelle Bachmans, Todd Akinses, and Allen Wests, Rand Pauls, Rick Santorums and others who I consider extremists both economically and maybe even more importantly, socially. Today's GOP is nothing but the John Birch Society with a new name. If that changes, I'll take another look at them. But they just get more and more extreme it seems every year. I feel bad for Romney. I don't think he's a bad guy. He's certainly not a Bircher. But I think it's instructive that most of the Right Wingers on this site had to hold their nose to vote for him.

What specifically do you disagree with Rand Paul about? I have to admit I haven't been exposed to much of his ideas but what I have seen seems logical. I've seen him publicly oppose Romney's military funding, speak against foreign aid vs keeping the money here to aid our citizens, speak about compromising with Democrats on military spending to help our budget and several other common sense ideas. I'd be glad to hear what issue you have with Rand.