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Old 11-09-2012, 10:07 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I think all republicans in congress should wait and watch. If the democrats pass a bill to provide amnesty for non-citizens in our country, sit on the side without voting. If democrats introduce a gun control bill, sit on the side without voting.

Senator Feinstein looking to introduce new assault weapons ban.

If democrats want to raise taxes, sit on the side without voting. If the democrats want to continue to make people like Al Gore rich, sit on the side without voting.

Fourteen green-tech firms in which Gore invested received or directly benefited from more than $2.5 billion in loans, grants and tax breaks, part of President Obama’s push to seed the renewable-energy industry with public money. Al Gore reported assets of less than $2 million in 2001. Today, his wealth is estimated at $100 million.

Go along with every bill they want or don't vote against it.
And how is this different from what the GOP has been doing? People are demanding bi-partisanship, Salty. But hey, if the GOP wants the lesson reinforced in 2016, they should follow your plan
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:15 AM   #32 (permalink)
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And how is this different from what the GOP has been doing? People are demanding bi-partisanship, Salty. But hey, if the GOP wants the lesson reinforced in 2016, they should follow your plan
How is letting the democrats do as they wish not bi-partisan? That is the ultimate level of cooperation with democrats. Vote for, or do not vote against any bill they put up for consideration.

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Old 11-09-2012, 10:21 AM   #33 (permalink)
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How is letting the democrats do as they wish not bi-partisan? That is the ultimate level of cooperation with democrats. Vote for, or do not vote against any bill they put up for consideration.
So the Dems do the legislating while the GOP pouts? Sounds like the GOP doesn't want to play because they don't get to make the rules. Childish, but hey -- if you think the electorate as a whole will go for that, then be my guest. But I think the GOP will just take another beating. But some people are incapable of learning.
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:25 AM   #34 (permalink)
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So the Dems do the legislating while the GOP pouts? Sounds like the GOP doesn't want to play because they don't get to make the rules. Childish, but hey -- if you think the electorate as a whole will go for that, then be my guest. But I think the GOP will just take another beating. But some people are incapable of learning.
I didn't say pout, I think they should go along with democrats as best as they can unless there's a bill they absolutely cannot vote for. Then just don't vote, don't obstruct. Man, it sure is hard to please some wingnuts.
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I didn't say pout, I think they should go along with democrats as best as they can unless there's a bill they absolutely cannot vote for. Then just don't vote, don't obstruct. Man, it sure is hard to please some wingnuts.
I don't know what else you'd call it. I don't think they need to simply "go along." Why does it have to be all one way or all another way? But I'm not a wingnut. I believe in compromise. It's as old as our republic and the only way for a democracy to work
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I don't know what else you'd call it. I don't think they need to simply "go along." Why does it have to be all one way or all another way? But I'm not a wingnut. I believe in compromise. It's as old as our republic and the only way for a democracy to work
It doesn't look like it's working lately therefore my suggestion for republicans to just go along. At least we'll find out if their ideas work.
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From this point "Forward"... it's all Obama's fault.
Why do you say that? Took Bush 8 years to F it all up. Think it should take only 4 to undo the mess?

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I think they spent too much time trying to campaign to legislate morality. Just drop it and concentrate on the economy one way or another.
All the "moral" people who are against abortion should go down to the clinics and tell the girls they will adopt all the babies. Since 35% of black women have abortions this would be a good way to homogenize the population, all the little black kids being raised in white families and going to white school and churches. Give us 2 generations and there won't be any race problem or affirmative action quota for education or employment.
Wow Fred, you don't just plunge the knife in, you twist it too!
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Market tumbles and the dollar falls at the open (thats market speak for no confidence). ...
Is the fact that the Dow and the S&P 500 closed at a 5 year high today market speak for confidence, or is that still market speak for no confidence in your mind? Just asking.
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Is the fact that the Dow and the S&P 500 closed at a 5 year high today market speak for confidence, or is that still market speak for no confidence in your mind? Just asking.

Wow, Thrash... I bet you've been wetting yourself for the last two and a half months to be able to write that!

The market is trying to shrug things off and claw it's way back. It's got a long way to go to get investors back to where they were.

The current "high" isn't a vote of confidence. If it had jumped in one day, yes, then I'd call it a confidence vote.
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Wow, Thrash... I bet you've been wetting yourself for the last two and a half months to be able to write that!

The market is trying to shrug things off and claw it's way back. It's got a long way to go to get investors back to where they were.

The current "high" isn't a vote of confidence. If it had jumped in one day, yes, then I'd call it a confidence vote.
No, not really. I just got bored reading webco's retarded posts.

Anyhow,... from your statement above in bold,... in your opinion, can you quantify:
  1. Where were the investors?
  2. How much is a long way to go?
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It's like grade point averages.

For the average "buy-n-hold" 401k investor, let's assume a market at 10,000 and a pretty typical "diversified" portfolio of say 70% equity and 30% fixed. US Equity comprises 80% of that. If the market (you can look at just the DOW or average the Indexes - let's not get to hung up on details) goes to 5000, that is a 50% loss. A 50% gain, then, only gets the market back to 7,500. It would take a 100% gain to break even, therefore, +100% to make any gains. Not to mention the multi-year loss of compounding returns, but that just complicates the answer.

The current 5yr high, then, is still a loss for the average investor.

For the record, the actual intra-day high for the DOW was 14,198.10 on 10/11/2007.

In my mind, that's still a long way to go given the current financial environment in the US and abroad.
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It's like grade point averages.

For the average "buy-n-hold" 401k investor, let's assume a market at 10,000 and a pretty typical "diversified" portfolio of say 70% equity and 30% fixed. US Equity comprises 80% of that. If the market (you can look at just the DOW or average the Indexes - let's not get to hung up on details) goes to 5000, that is a 50% loss. A 50% gain, then, only gets the market back to 7,500. It would take a 100% gain to break even, therefore, +100% to make any gains. Not to mention the multi-year loss of compounding returns, but that just complicates the answer.

The current 5yr high, then, is still a loss for the average investor.

For the record, the actual intra-day high for the DOW was 14,198.10 on 10/11/2007.

In my mind, that's still a long way to go given the current financial environment in the US and abroad.
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