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Old 02-27-2011, 03:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Arab democracy?

for those of you who follow my every post (get a life) you know that I have mentioned several times that Islam does not lend itself to Democracy as we know it by it's very nature. What do you think will be the type of gummint they have about 6 months from now when the novelty wears off and things settle down?
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Old 02-27-2011, 06:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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for those of you who follow my every post (get a life) you know that I have mentioned several times that Islam does not lend itself to Democracy as we know it by it's very nature. What do you think will be the type of gummint they have about 6 months from now when the novelty wears off and things settle down?
Where are you referring to? Iraq? Iran? Egypt? Afghanistan? Yemen? Turkey? Tunisa? UAE? Libya? Malaysia? Sudan?

or one of the other future Sharia dicatatorship?
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Old 02-27-2011, 06:28 PM   #3 (permalink)
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They will get what they vote for. However, it may be their one and only vote.


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Old 02-27-2011, 11:03 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think the Arabs, be it Muslims or Christians are not ready for the idea of democracy just yet.
Talk to them about it in about another 50 years, they may then comprehend what the concept is about.


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Old 02-28-2011, 12:12 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I think those will end up with some sort of Iran-like, Sharia law state and become just different flavor hell-holes. In a worst case, they could become a new caliphate - United Caliphate of Arabia.
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Old 02-28-2011, 10:38 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Depends whether you are talking about Islamic or Arab states.
The largest Islamic country, Indonesia, is a democracy, so are Turkey, Bangladesh, Mali and Senegal. Some might include Iraq but it's early days and Afghanistan is still a shambles.
None of the Arab countries are though many go through the motions of voting the same crowd in every few years.
I don't see any of the current bunch of revolutions resulting in democracy soon. The people know what they don't want but have no idea what is is they do want. I guess some strong man will come in and tell them.
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Old 02-28-2011, 12:21 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Mawnan is on the right track as per my question. It is the combination of Arab and Islam that seems to be the problem. Israel doesn't have any problem with Arab Christians. Arab Christians don't train their children to be martyrs.
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Does it really matter...they will be killing each other for the next 1000 years anyway.
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There are several countries that operate democratically, where the main religion is Islam. The secret of success is as the founding fathers of the USA envisioned it. A seperation of church and state. Establish that first, and the rest will follow.
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Old 03-01-2011, 09:21 PM   #10 (permalink)
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you have a point there but in this era of PC the courts have almost made religion illegal. It has gone way too far over what was intended.
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you have a point there but in this era of PC the courts have almost made religion illegal. It has gone way too far over what was intended.
I agree PC has gone way to far. They have almost made Christianity illegal. The offer special treatment for muslims in this country and our schools.
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you have a point there but in this era of PC the courts have almost made religion illegal. It has gone way too far over what was intended.
How so Fred?
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I would hesitate to agree that there are any Muslim countries that actually practice true Democracy. I would agree with Fred that the nature of the religion does not allow for it. As far as these countries needing enough time; What? Fourteen centuries isn't enough?

In answer to Fred's first question; wait and see. My guess is that the next most brutal "leader" with the highest numbers of equally brutal "followers" will be in charge of things. We understand that there are significant numbers of folks who practice this "religion of peace" who routinely beat their wives, advocate for the essential enslavement of women, and would consider it the highest honor for their family to have one of their children blow themselves up with a "suicide bomb" at your daughter's daycare.
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How so Fred?
I am Jewish and it does NOT bother me one bit to see a creche scene in front of the courthouse or park or any public place. It does NOT bother me to hear greeters at a department store to say Merry Christmas unless it is July 4 or Memorial Day, etc. It does NOT bother me to hear a school chorus sing religious songs along with Frosty the Snowman at their winter concert. When I was a kid it did not bother me to take Christmas break from school. Now, it is winter break or holiday break.
All of this is now banned. It is "Happy Holidays" at all public buildings. It is in our Constitution that the gummint can not establish or favor a religion. No tax dollars go to any church or synagogue or mosque. Fine. That's what it is supposed to be. But to say that kids in elementary schools can post decorations of Frosty but not the Cross is ridiculous. No public Christmas trees. The White House had a Holiday tree.
Most of this PC crap was forced on us by Atheists although I am aware of 1 case from an orthodox Jew. Atheists back in the late 60's and 70's took this to the Supreme Court and they ruled that public places have to be neutral for everybody. Darn. And I had such a pretty Hanukkah Bush.
If you think PC is bad now, just wait till the Islamists take over. If their birthrate is 6 kids per family and ours is 2 it won't take long.
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I am Jewish and it does NOT bother me one bit to see a creche scene in front of the courthouse or park or any public place. It does NOT bother me to hear greeters at a department store to say Merry Christmas unless it is July 4 or Memorial Day, etc. It does NOT bother me to hear a school chorus sing religious songs along with Frosty the Snowman at their winter concert. When I was a kid it did not bother me to take Christmas break from school. Now, it is winter break or holiday break.
All of this is now banned. It is "Happy Holidays" at all public buildings. It is in our Constitution that the gummint can not establish or favor a religion. No tax dollars go to any church or synagogue or mosque. Fine. That's what it is supposed to be. But to say that kids in elementary schools can post decorations of Frosty but not the Cross is ridiculous. No public Christmas trees. The White House had a Holiday tree.
Most of this PC crap was forced on us by Atheists although I am aware of 1 case from an orthodox Jew. Atheists back in the late 60's and 70's took this to the Supreme Court and they ruled that public places have to be neutral for everybody. Darn. And I had such a pretty Hanukkah Bush.
If you think PC is bad now, just wait till the Islamists take over. If their birthrate is 6 kids per family and ours is 2 it won't take long.
I see your point Fred, but I can also understand why there is no mention of the Christian festival in schools or public places. In a democracy, that would open the door to Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, Mormons, Scientoligists and even Satanists demanding their equal right to have their festivals and songs imposed on everyone. Secularism needs to be absolute to work.
As for the greeters at department stores, I agree that's a step too far. If the store owners want to celebrate Christmas on their property, that's their business, not the governments. If people are upset by it, they have the choice of shopping elsewhere.
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