Westboro Baptist...

[scottq60]

who said they don't deserve freedom of speech?

I just believe they take that freedom TOO FAR when they are allowed to disrupt the funeral/burial of a fallen service member.

[Michael Psycle]

Originally Posted by scottq60

who said they don't deserve freedom of speech?

I just believe they take that freedom TOO FAR when they are allowed to disrupt the funeral/burial of a fallen service member.

What made me think you wanted to limit the free speech of Westboro Baptist was when you wrote "We need to take our country BACK from people/organizations like Westboro...there needs to be a reasonable line drawn in defense of that right."

The courts have ruled repeatedly on what they are allowed to do and what they are not allowed to do at funerals.

Westboro Baptist is in some ways a creation of the media. The media always sends out cameras and reporters to cover their protests, and prominently shows every vile sign they are carrying. The media knows that their ratings increase when they give time to organizations like Westboro Baptist. The media is partially responsible for this phenomena.

[scottq60]

You are absolutely right (IMO) about them being a creation of the media. If the media didn't give them the attention they crave, they'd probably get bored and go home.

If helping (as much as possible) to shield the grieving families of fallen service members from vile behavior/protests could be considered as limiting their free speech, then I'm guilty as charged. I won't apologize for it.

[Michael Psycle]

Shielding grieving families from this vile behavior is a wonderful thing to do. It does not limit anyone's right to free speech. It is an expression of your free speech and I thank you for doing this.

[palmettoman]

My freedom of speech is saying I would enjoy seeing the Westboro members step in front of a fast moving 18 wheeler.

[scottq60]

AMEN, AMEN, and AMEN!!!!

[Fred1369]

back from the dead.

[RGRider]

Originally Posted by palmettoman

My freedom of speech is saying I would enjoy seeing the Westboro members step in front of a fast moving 18 wheeler.

What do you have against the truck driver? They're not nameless faceless robots ya know.

[edteach]

This is your far right wing Christian groups today. Look at pastor Haggee, or Pat Robertson, who say that Katrina is the result of Homosexuals in NOLA. Or that "All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that.

The newspaper carried the story in our local area, that was not carried nationally, that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it would was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other gay pride parades.

So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing."

Hagee also said, in the same interview, "Islam in general -- those who live by the Koran have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews."

And the pastor suggested in a book called "Jerusalem Countdown" that, as Sarah Posner puts it, "military confrontation with Iran is foretold in the Bible as a necessary precondition for the Second Coming."

"Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history." –Pat Robertson


"I would warn Orlando that you're right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you, This is not a message of hate -- this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs; it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor." –Pat Robertson, on "gay days" at Disneyworld


"(T)he feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." –Pat Robertson


"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period." –Pat Robertson


"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city. And don't wonder why he hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for his help because he might not be there." --Pat Robertson, after the city of Dover, Pennsylvania voted to boot the current school board, which instituted an intelligent design policy that led to a federal trial


"God considers this land to be his. You read the Bible and he says 'This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, 'No, this is mine.' ... He was dividing God's land. And I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the E.U., the United Nations, or the United States of America.' God says, 'This land belongs to me. You better leave it alone.'" --Pat Robertson, on why Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered a massive stroke


"Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up" –Pat Robertson, on nuking the State Department

You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with." –Pat Robertson, calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez


"It may be a blessing in disguise. ... Something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it. Haitians were originally under the heel of the French. You know, Napoleon the third, or whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, we will serve you if you will get us free from the French. True story. And so, the devil said, okay it's a deal. Ever since they have been cursed by one thing after the other." –Pat Robertson, on the earthquake in Haiti that destroyed the capital and killed tens of thousands of people, Jan. 13, 2010

I don't think the crazy Islamic fundimentalists have much on Christian nut jobs.

[scottq60]

There are "nut jobs" in every "group" of people...far right, far left. There will always be someone who takes a particular view/stance to the extreme.

[edteach]

Originally Posted by scottq60

There are "nut jobs" in every "group" of people...far right, far left. There will always be someone who takes a particular view/stance to the extreme.

I agree, I used to vote solely on the gun issue. If anything was going to even in the smallest way threaten my gun rights I voted against that person or party. But as I grew up I saw life is much more than gun issues. Its things like health care for all people, its safety nets for the most vulnerable among us, its keeping the uber money of a plutocracy out of our elections. I still like my guns and I don't agree with a lot of gun restrictions but I also see that on the other side how a person could feel differently if they had someone they loved shot and killed by a gun toting criminal or even a child killed by a gun accidentally, not that I think this makes gun restriction a good idea, but I can see how people would feel if I were in that situation. If someone very close to me got hold of my gun and was killed accidentally I may very well get rid of all my guns. Guns are not the most important thing in my life, they are a tool and that is the end of it.

I also don't agree with the very far left that would have us live in a sod hut and not use the resources around us so the world can stay wild totally. But for the most part I agree with the Democrats more than the the crazy tea bagging Republicans. I was more of a pre 80s Republican, now that crazy had almost totally over taken them with this uber Christian or Ayn Rand ideology I can't stand them. Hate of homosexuals, hate of blacks, hate of Hispanics, hate of all not like them, and stapling tea bags to tri corn hats is a sure sign of bat **** crazy.

[SAFXDL]

I know the last time they came to Mississippi..one of them got their ass kicked...bad....they departed soon after....fast.

[webco2]

edteach; I see you have your emotions running on autopilot again.
Did not the anger management classes help???
I do see that logic is not in your fortay .

[Hamilton]

Originally Posted by edteach

I agree, I used to vote solely on the gun issue. If anything was going to even in the smallest way threaten my gun rights I voted against that person or party. But as I grew up I saw life is much more than gun issues. Its things like health care for all people, its safety nets for the most vulnerable among us, its keeping the uber money of a plutocracy out of our elections. I still like my guns and I don't agree with a lot of gun restrictions but I also see that on the other side how a person could feel differently if they had someone they loved shot and killed by a gun toting criminal or even a child killed by a gun accidentally, not that I think this makes gun restriction a good idea, but I can see how people would feel if I were in that situation. If someone very close to me got hold of my gun and was killed accidentally I may very well get rid of all my guns. Guns are not the most important thing in my life, they are a tool and that is the end of it.

I also don't agree with the very far left that would have us live in a sod hut and not use the resources around us so the world can stay wild totally. But for the most part I agree with the Democrats more than the the crazy tea bagging Republicans. I was more of a pre 80s Republican, now that crazy had almost totally over taken them with this uber Christian or Ayn Rand ideology I can't stand them. Hate of homosexuals, hate of blacks, hate of Hispanics, hate of all not like them, and stapling tea bags to tri corn hats is a sure sign of bat **** crazy.

For a new guy you sure have made it known that there are a lot of people who you don't like.

Well...except you, as there seems to be no shortage of you talking about yourself.

[edteach]

Originally Posted by Hamilton

For a new guy you sure have made it known that there are a lot of people who you don't like.

Well...except you, as there seems to be no shortage of you talking about yourself.

Its a posting thread on religion and politics, WTF did you think it was about?