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Old 01-10-2017, 10:09 PM   #16 (permalink)
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How long ago did you dump your bike.
2 years ago. I didn't so much as dump it as it dumped me. One minute I was pulling into a gravel lot, the next second I was standing next to my bike.

I bent a floorboard support, put a foot long scratch on a saddlebag, and scratched the front fender. 1K in paint work.
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I hate those signs. They "teach" people its OK to blow thru STOP signs.
Man, need that law here in Indiana, I would love a blow thru the stop sign? anyways -------------I'd be worried about that front yard the house has!!!!!
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that's about the dumbest traffic law I've ever seen.
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I don't understand what the big deal is. We have a similar intersection in my town.

If going straight you need to stop due to potential cross traffic. If going right, no need to stop as there is no potential for cross traffic.

The stop sign is more predominant that the sign saying not for right turn. If some one blows through the stop sign going straight they are blatantly breaking the law and there should be no excuse.

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I don't understand what the big deal is. We have a similar intersection in my town.

If going straight you need to stop due to potential cross traffic. If going right, no need to stop as there is no potential for cross traffic.

The stop sign is more predominant that the sign saying not for right turn. If some one blows through the stop sign going straight they are blatantly breaking the law and there should be no excuse.

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that's not the issue IMO....someone's coming in the opposite direction and is turning left at that intersection pictured....your coming in the "sign" direction and turning right....you BOTH think you have the right of way....who's fault is it when the car coming at you kills you on the bike?


remember...everyone is not as attentive as you might be.

secondly "I didn't see him" comes outa the car drivers mouth

doesn't matter...YOUR still dead.
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Old 01-11-2017, 12:03 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Ok I see it from that point of view.

However in that scenario if I saw a car coming the other way, I would take care and not assume anything. But yes sheet happens.

There should be a sign on the other side saying something like yield to turning traffic.

Don't know if the intersection in my town has anything like that.

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I get what everyone is saying, but there are a couple of things I notice here.

First of all, I wouldn't call this a "law". Clearly there are limited situations where this applies and they are marked by the signage you see in the picture.



About the picture:

We don't see if there is a STOP sign across the road, for the people coming the other way. I assume that there is.

Also, It appears that the "road" across the way is more of a driveway. Based on the lines on the road, it appears that the "highway" goes around the curve and that the lighter colored pavement is a driveway or smaller side street intersecting with it.

Notice there also doesn't appear to be a stop sign for people coming from the right side of the picture, who would be making a left curve here with no stop sign.

In other words, there would be no STOP sign here at all if not to warn someone wanting to go straight across here that the traffic coming around the curve from their right does not stop.
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It makes sense to me. I'm assuming it's a 3-way intersection. You stop if you are going straight. No need to stop if you are going right. You have your own lane. The car on the right, behind the building has his own lane. As long as he doesn't come in your lane when he's going left in the turn you should have no problem.

That said, I would still slow down to make sure there were no surprises behind that building. And pull out slowly if I wanted to go straight.

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I can see a situation where someone who's not local - and not used to intersections like that - getting plowed because they decided it just wasn't safe to not stop at a stop sign. So they come to a complete stop and get smashed by the SUV behind them; who is expecting them to roll through.
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I think most of the problem is when people see the stop sign from the other side. They assume you will stop. Here on the Mason Dixon line you have to be more alert. People in PA are aware of this quirk with the stop signs, Maryland does not have it. So Maryland drivers don't expect to see on coming traffic ignore stop signs.

In the photo above, the would be a car on the road directly ahead, making a left turn.
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G made a great point that we cannot see if there is a stop sign there. I bet there is.

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G made a great point that we cannot see if there is a stop sign there. I bet there is.

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I agree with RKC. We have similar in NJ. If there wasn't a stop sign from the other direction it would be a free for all and the hiway dept would get sued.
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I get what everyone is saying, but there are a couple of things I notice here.

First of all, I wouldn't call this a "law". Clearly there are limited situations where this applies and they are marked by the signage you see in the picture.



About the picture:

We don't see if there is a STOP sign across the road, for the people coming the other way. I assume that there is.

Also, It appears that the "road" across the way is more of a driveway. Based on the lines on the road, it appears that the "highway" goes around the curve and that the lighter colored pavement is a driveway or smaller side street intersecting with it.

Notice there also doesn't appear to be a stop sign for people coming from the right side of the picture, who would be making a left curve here with no stop sign.

In other words, there would be no STOP sign here at all if not to warn someone wanting to go straight across here that the traffic coming around the curve from their right does not stop.
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G made a great point that we cannot see if there is a stop sign there. I bet there is.

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It's a law.

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212.107. Except Right Turn Sign (R1-1-1).

When a major traffic movement at an intersection is a right turn, the Except Right Turn Sign (R1-1-1) may be placed below the Stop Sign (R1-1) on that approach to minimize the total delay at the intersection. When this sign is used, Stop Signs (R1-1) are required on all other intersection approaches except for the approach with a corresponding left-turn movement.
As for the intersection and how it's signed, and needing to see as opposed to to taking my word, a quick look at google maps solves that.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7224...!7i3328!8i1664

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7224...!7i3328!8i1664

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7224...!7i3328!8i1664

My original photo shows the Stop except right turn. The opposing traffic has a stop sign. The traffic from the right in the original photo only has a sign warning them to turn one way or the other.
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It's a law.



As for the intersection and how it's signed, and needing to see as opposed to to taking my word, a quick look at google maps solves that.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7224...!7i3328!8i1664

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7224...!7i3328!8i1664

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7224...!7i3328!8i1664

My original photo shows the Stop except right turn. The opposing traffic has a stop sign. The traffic from the right in the original photo only has a sign warning them to turn one way or the other.
But the law says it "may be placed" at the intersection. It isn't a mandate.

I see there is indeed a stop sign at the opposing minor roadway and the statute quoted says more concisely what I said in my post, that the major flow of traffic is making that right turn. One only needs to look at the lines in the road to determine that. In my mind, going straight across that intersection would be the equivalent of making a left turn and anyone approaching in the direction of your original picture should signal such if that's what they are doing.

I have had several people get "lost" on the last couple of miles to my house because of a few of these 3-way intersections. We don't have the "stop unless going right" thing, but people get confused because they may come to an intersection where "going straight" actually means taking a side street and "turning" actually keeps them on the road they were on. I always tell people to follow the center lines and/or edge lines in the road. If the line goes continuously around the curve, that means taking the curve keeps you on the same road. Some people just don't get it.

That said, I have seen some weird intersections in your neck of the woods created by the placement of those signs. That picture just wasn't the best example. I'm more bothered by the one way tunnels with a 90 degree curve on either end of the tunnel within 100 feet of it. Those fukkers are scary.
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But the law says it "may be placed" at the intersection. It isn't a mandate.

I see there is indeed a stop sign at the opposing minor roadway and the statute quoted says more concisely what I said in my post, that the major flow of traffic is making that right turn. One only needs to look at the lines in the road to determine that. In my mind, going straight across that intersection would be the equivalent of making a left turn and anyone approaching in the direction of your original picture should signal such if that's what they are doing.

I have had several people get "lost" on the last couple of miles to my house because of a few of these 3-way intersections. We don't have the "stop unless going right" thing, but people get confused because they may come to an intersection where "going straight" actually means taking a side street and "turning" actually keeps them on the road they were on. I always tell people to follow the center lines and/or edge lines in the road. If the line goes continuously around the curve, that means taking the curve keeps you on the same road. Some people just don't get it.

That said, I have seen some weird intersections in your neck of the woods created by the placement of those signs. That picture just wasn't the best example. I'm more bothered by the one way tunnels with a 90 degree curve on either end of the tunnel within 100 feet of it. Those fukkers are scary.

The biggest issue with that intersection is the location and layout. It's on a rise, so from the west you don't see the painted lines bear to the left till late in the event, and the speed approaching from the west is 50mph. I was prolly doing 60 the day I fuk'd up there. House blocks the the view to the south, and partially obstructs the stop sign. Big green road sign that is really out of place grabs your attention, and then traffic from the left doesn't stop. A three way stop would be a safer situation. And with that house sitting where it is, perhaps a "Stop Ahead" warning before the house.



I think I have a video of that underpass you mentioned, I'll see if I can find it.
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