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Old 11-15-2012, 02:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Constitution failed?

Short article about what was probably Rep. Ron Paul's final address to Congress.

whether you agree or disagree, his remarks warrant consideration.


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Old 11-15-2012, 04:10 AM   #2 (permalink)
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IMO he couldn’t be more correct.
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Certain sad justice that RP's career should end the same year that America voted to end it's relationship with the Constitution. He's right; the Constitution has failed to do what it was intended: preserve liberty for the people, ensure federalism, and limit the power of the central government. I guess the prognosticators were right: eventually man will always choose authoritarian rule over self-governance, it was just a matter of time.

God-speed Ron Paul.
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
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In todays world the Constitution is nothing more than what 5 or more of 9 say it is.
What those 5 of nine say is the final word on what the Constitution says or does not say.
What Ron Paul you or I think is meaningless.
While you were sleeping all the rules changed. So forget all this talk about a Constitution we no longer have one . We have a document that will change with the appointment of 1 justice .
100 years or understanding will be dismissed by 5 or 9 never forget that.
But soon your about to feel it's effects.
People will choose free stuff.....
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The Constitution hasn't failed, that's like saying your service manual failed because you didn't read it before you tuned your bike.

Our Constitution is still the roadmap to a great nation. We just ain't reading it.

We are failing our Constitution. Big time.

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Old 11-15-2012, 10:12 PM   #6 (permalink)
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The Constitution hasn't failed, that's like saying your service manual failed because you didn't read it before you tuned your bike.

Our Constitution is still the roadmap to a great nation. We just ain't reading it.

We are failing our Constitution. Big time.

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I agree. They trample the constitution and we keep putting them back in office. We deserve what we get.
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The Constitution hasn't failed, that's like saying your service manual failed because you didn't read it before you tuned your bike.

Our Constitution is still the roadmap to a great nation. We just ain't reading it.

We are failing our Constitution. Big time.

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That's the very point he was making in his speech.

"Our Constitution, which was intended to limit government power and abuse, has failed," Paul said. "The Founders warned that a free society depends on a virtuous and moral people. The current crisis reflects that their concerns were justified."
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I agree. They trample the constitution and we keep putting them back in office. We deserve what we get.
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The Constitution hasn't failed, that's like saying your service manual failed because you didn't read it before you tuned your bike.

Our Constitution is still the roadmap to a great nation. We just ain't reading it.

We are failing our Constitution. Big time.

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Certain sad justice that RP's career should end the same year that America voted to end it's relationship with the Constitution. He's right; the Constitution has failed to do what it was intended: preserve liberty for the people, ensure federalism, and limit the power of the central government. I guess the prognosticators were right: eventually man will always choose authoritarian rule over self-governance, it was just a matter of time.

God-speed Ron Paul.
EXACTLY! Yes, our government is corrupt and self serving. Why? Because the majority of people in this country are corrupt and self serving. Some people on this forum (and in general) just need to come to grips with the fact that our government precisely represents us.

In my own world I hear many who complain about "how bad the economy is" and the lack of jobs and work. At the same time, I see those with work who don't give a crap about quality, service, ethics, craftmanship, honesty or anything other than their own greed. A lot of people are not out of work because of the economy or the government, they are out because of themselves. The authoritarian rule gives them an excuse. It relieves the responsibility of thinking and doing for one's self. That is why we do it.

Just a little aside here, one thing I have learned in the past year; Never trust a contractor who has religious quotes on their company letterhead. That is obviously done to try and fool somebody into believing they are honest.
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:00 AM   #9 (permalink)
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In todays world the Constitution is nothing more than what 5 or more of 9 say it is.
What those 5 of nine say is the final word on what the Constitution says or does not say.
What Ron Paul you or I think is meaningless.
While you were sleeping all the rules changed. So forget all this talk about a Constitution we no longer have one . We have a document that will change with the appointment of 1 justice .
100 years or understanding will be dismissed by 5 or 9 never forget that.
But soon your about to feel it's effects.
People will choose free stuff.....
Those nine have always been the "final answer" to what is constitutional. It was intended to be. We have always also had the ability to overide the SC by amending the constitution to reflect what we , as a society, want. Not accepting the Constitution as the limiting factor in government power is what is causing most of the issues we are having today.
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...Just a little aside here, one thing I have learned in the past year; Never trust a contractor who has religious quotes on their company letterhead. That is obviously done to try and fool somebody into believing they are honest.
Please say you're kidding.

How about... Never trust a man who judges a whole group by one member. He is obviously trying to fool somebody into believing he is competent.

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Old 11-16-2012, 08:50 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Those nine have always been the "final answer" to what is constitutional. It was intended to be. We have always also had the ability to overide the SC by amending the constitution to reflect what we , as a society, want. Not accepting the Constitution as the limiting factor in government power is what is causing most of the issues we are having today.
Not really in the past it was more of looking at it and seeing how the current world fit in.
Now it just appoint someone that will rule my way no madder what.
But no sense talking about it we will see soon enough.
There is really no respect of law any more just a madder of what I can get passed. We pushed it to far like most things, now we will pay for it.
We saw it in Wisconsin over the last couple years how a few justices in the right court can stop anything. We also saw DA's ignore crimes because it fit their agenda and do it openly and dare anyone to try and do something about it.
I hope I am wrong and we will wake up but not betting on it.
We saw in State election 110% count on voters a GAB say it don't madder. 1000's of us had our names show up on a recall we did not sign and were told to go away nothing you can do about it.
We have become a 3rd world nation.
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:32 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Just a little aside here, one thing I have learned in the past year; Never trust a contractor who has religious quotes on their company letterhead. That is obviously done to try and fool somebody into believing they are honest.


i'm with you on this one G Man. without knowing the specifics of your situation, i'm pretty sure i learned the same lesson you learned............the hard way.

i now purposely avoid doing business with those who actively promote their personal beliefs as a component of their advertising. why do i care if a lawyer, doctor, plumber,grocer, lawn maintenance guy or painter is a believer or member of ANY religious group???

the fastest way they can get crossed off of my 'potential vendor' list is to hang a "Jesus fish" or any other religious symbol on their truck or in their advertising.


PS: i apologize to the O.P. for the thread drift. he is OBVIOUSLY an extremely intelligent individual with a great deal of insight into the political, religious and overall general human condition. I watch for all of his threads and read them with great interest. I find i never disagree with any position he takes. the guy's a freakin' genius!!!!

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Please say you're kidding.

How about... Never trust a man who judges a whole group by one member. He is obviously trying to fool somebody into believing he is competent.

joe
I apologize if you found that offensive. I am not out to knock religion, I just don't think it should be mixed with business and especially when the owner of the business is a cheat.

To qualify my statement, I had an experience earlier this year with a subcontractor on a job who outright lied about how he installed something and then when we took it apart and proved he lied, he forged a letter from a product manufacturer to try and justify his actions.

I would have thought that to be an isolated incident until a very similar thing just happened this week. A different contractor on a different project in a different discipline of work.

The one thing these 2 had in common was the promotion of good biblical quotes on the bottom of their letterhead.

So, understand I am not saying anything bad about religion, I am reacting to a personal experience of people whom I have recently seen that felt the need to use scripture on company documents (for whatever reason they may have chosen to do that), and then acted in direct contradiction to the implications of that scripture.

Oddly enough, of the dozens of contractors I have dealt with in this same year, they are the only 2 who have scripture on their documents.
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I apologize if you found that offensive. I am not out to knock religion, I just don't think it should be mixed with business and especially when the owner of the business is a cheat.

To qualify my statement, I had an experience earlier this year with a subcontractor on a job who outright lied about how he installed something and then when we took it apart and proved he lied, he forged a letter from a product manufacturer to try and justify his actions.

I would have thought that to be an isolated incident until a very similar thing just happened this week. A different contractor on a different project in a different discipline of work.

The one thing these 2 had in common was the promotion of good biblical quotes on the bottom of their letterhead.

So, understand I am not saying anything bad about religion, I am reacting to a personal experience of people whom I have recently seen that felt the need to use scripture on company documents (for whatever reason they may have chosen to do that), and then acted in direct contradiction to the implications of that scripture.

Oddly enough, of the dozens of contractors I have dealt with in this same year, they are the only 2 who have scripture on their documents.
Man, I understand. I believe and I pray, and those guys tingle my spidey senses too. I've been burned by a couple of them. I'm just not gonna call all of them crooks in advance.

I know it's not religion you're talking about, but the snakes or incompetents who (mis)use it.

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