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[jammer45u]

Originally Posted by IrishStash

I don't blame them, if you could liquidate now and get out of this business climate, when your own employees have chosen not to support your business. Take the money and run! Will not be surprised to see more businesses deciding it is not worth it to keep the wheels turning.

Yep... Now Robin Hood and his band of merry men can redistribute those assets. 18,500 new "green" jobs?

[hardheaded]

the unions have compromised all across this country,the unions at conoco philips in hartford ill. took a big hit.some trades lost 9 dollars an hour some 6 an hour but the company made record profits last year. big bizzness has always kicked the little guy and they would have you working for nothing if they could.labor is always the smallest slice of the pie but the first place the go to make cost cuts .i sat in on many upper management meetings and listen to their bullshit lies.if you seen how the place was run with their bad leadership wastefull spending i'm not surpised gas isn't 14.00 gallon they don't care about their workers their are worried about the bottom dollar.i guess the big shots don't do their own food shoppiing or even put gas in their own cars they don't have a clue on how the real world is,it's a case of the fat getting fatter.you have to take a stand at some point when they back you into a corner with your livey hood.just like they did many years ago.

[RGRider]

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[spdrcr137]

You are corrrect its Olin its the big grey plant that is hardly producing over in east Alton. I drive by it often on my way to fast eddies. Keep paying your dues some union leader needs your money.

[High Torque]

Originally Posted by hardheaded

the unions have compromised all across this country,the unions at conoco philips in hartford ill. took a big hit.some trades lost 9 dollars an hour some 6 an hour but the company made record profits last year. big bizzness has always kicked the little guy and they would have you working for nothing if they could.labor is always the smallest slice of the pie but the first place the go to make cost cuts .i sat in on many upper management meetings and listen to their bullshit lies.if you seen how the place was run with their bad leadership wastefull spending i'm not surpised gas isn't 14.00 gallon they don't care about their workers their are worried about the bottom dollar.i guess the big shots don't do their own food shoppiing or even put gas in their own cars they don't have a clue on how the real world is,it's a case of the fat getting fatter.you have to take a stand at some point when they back you into a corner with your livey hood.just like they did many years ago.

And pray tell what those trades consisted of? Nine bucks an hour less is a huge hit to your salary, but and I'm just asking this question, was the job indicative of current salary plus 9 per hour? Or was it an inflated salary that the union demanded the company pay the worker? Most labour jobs are just that, unskilled labour. What makes people think they are worth a huge hourly wage for doing production work? That is a big part of the problem with the auto sector (GM, Chrysler) when they signed the attractive contracts with the unions to keep production rolling along and advert a strike in the good times, they borrowed on the future. Then the economy corrects itself and concessions are required by the unions, or bailouts from the government, to keep the companies afloat.

Unions had their day, but not in todays economy. And yes, i did pay union dues in the past, but not anymore, as I could not stand to see members get promoted for seniority, rather than productivity. And until unions realize this, they will not get my support.

[1rusty1]

There was a time when unions protected the employees. It’s one reason that today we are not working 16 hour days at $1 an hour. They are job killers today. There are so many federal guidelines in place to protect employees that we just don’t need both unions and the government wagging the dog. Companies can pass union costs on only when customers cannot shop elsewhere. with increased competition unions cannot expect above market wages/benefits. Companies no longer have the profits to afford inflated wages. Hostess is out of business due to those large inflated wages all while competing with companies that produce similar products utilizing affordable labor. Unions are the reason many of you drive Toyotas, Hondas and Kias and the big three needed a bail out.

Unlike the Government, if profit margin is not there for a business, they close the doors. It makes good sense that employees would want to see the company they work for maintain strong profits and grow. Unions have been undermining the American workers for decades and is just one more reason that manufacturing has moved off shore (along with excessive taxes). Wake up America.

[Uncle Salty]

The bakers union "won."

[spdrcr137]

This is my whole point, its not the members its the mentality. Rag on the company for getting rich off the workers labor but heaven forbid you mention the union getting rich off the member and they do. The company risks capitol to make a profit and they are allowed to make a profit as much as they possibly can. Profit has become a bad word in this country for some reason.

I want everyone to make a living and enjoy life but when the mind set is screw the company until they cant compete and they go out of business its time to look at the real problem.

[spdrcr137]

This is what I have found on the foot print.

Although the ammunition business was and is strong due to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, Olin has since 2004 been slowly moving pieces of Winchester from unionized East Alton, Illinois to union-free Oxford, Mississippi,[13] starting with rimfire cartridge production, then load and pack operations, and 2010 announcement of moving the Winchester Ammunition centerfire manufacturing to Oxford, Mississippi after the union voted down ratification twice to keep the jobs in Illinois for at least seven years with a new concessions plan.

So you are kind of correct, They didnt just shut the gate but they did put an end plan into play.

[jammer45u]

Wonder Bread vs. lavash, pita and tortillas. And the winner is....

[IrishStash]

Originally Posted by Michael Psycle

The reason Hostess is bankrupt is that they have been mismanaged.

...by their union.

[smitty901]

It will not madder some under socialism the unions and the government become one.
Well at least at first then the Government starts to run the show and take the cash directly. soon you don't need the Union anymore . Why would the government is talking care of things.
Long bumpy ride down hill is on the way
Remember you not only did not build that small business, you did not earn any of the money you have so hand it over.

[hardheaded]

the union the reason i have health ins. and a retirement big bizz is not going to give you anything.they would have you work like a dog to line their own pockets. i've seen this going on for 38 years and it's getting worse.they would like to get rid of osha,the clean air act and anything thing else that's hampering them makeing more money

[Uncle Salty]

Since "big bizz" is doing so well, I expect we'll be seeing yours soon.