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Old 08-12-2008, 07:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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'07 Fork Oil Change

The procedure in the '07 service manual for a fork-oil change specifies removing the fork, fork-tube plug, and spring (among other things)--then inverting the fork for the fluid to drain. Looking at the parts manual I can't figure out why you couldn't simply remove the top plug, use the drain plug on the bottom, then add the new oil from the top.

I'd like to know if the old oil will fully drain if the top plug and drain plug are removed. If so, considering the new oil can be added from the hole created by the removed top plug, I can't see why a fork-oil change wouldn't be only a matter of removing the top plug, draining, pumping the forks repeatedly to purge residual oil, then adding fresh oil at the top.

Changing the fork oil in my old '96 RK was a 15-min. proposition by just draining and applying a vacuum at the schrader valve to suck the new oil in through the drain plug. If all the oil could be drained from that fork, why not the newer models? I'm not talking about cartridge type forks, but the forks HD has been making for the past few years.
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Old 08-13-2008, 06:45 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Got to be an easier way. Maybe it wont be quite as good but pulling the forks sounds like overkill.
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Old 08-13-2008, 08:22 AM   #3 (permalink)
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OK time for my stupid question that sounds like it should work not as good a full disassembly but better than nothing. Would this also work the same way on a 08???
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Starting with the 06s, HD got rid of the cartridge fork they had in the left leg, both are connventional now. We simply did what you are suggesting in our shop. You will need to "bounce" the bike a little to insure all oil is drained.

BUT, more importantly... you can't just FILL the forks to capacity in one shot. You need to pour about half the amount in, bounce the front end again, this lets the oil get past the new "damper" they use, then pour the remainder.
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Chopperdude, this is the reply I've been waiting for--someone who's done it this way. Sounds like a winner and I'll give it a try. Thanks!
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how many miles do you have on your 07? Just an FYI, my service manual doesn't call for a fork oil change until 50,000 miles
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how many miles do you have on your 07? Just an FYI, my service manual doesn't call for a fork oil change until 50,000 miles
I have 21k, but some who've changed their fork oil, either just for maintenance or during chrome-lower-fork installation, say the oil is very dirty at 20k. The manual for my old '96 RK with air front shocks specified 12k-mile intervals and the local HD shop says they recommend it every 20k, so I think 50k may be stretching it.

If the oil change is easy like I hope it will be using the procedure in my original post I will do the job every 20k. I'll be doing it tomorrow and will report back the result.
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Good info! Have done the same thing to Sportsters in the past. Also, what wt. shock oil do these dressers need? 10-15..? Depending what kind of riding you do, I wonder if you can get better suspension using 5wt. over the stock recommended ? Used 20wt. in a few Sportys years back; night and day difference. Also used Sikolene oil. Just make sure you measure what comes out each side and put that same amt. back in. Good luck!
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Just make sure you measure what comes out each side and put that same amt. back in. Good luck!
Its best to make sure to drain completely and put back in the required amount. Or have a known fluid level to bring it back up to. If you measure just what drains out you are assuming that over the last 20 to 50 thousand miles none ever leaked out. Or was used up microscopic amounts at a time with the forks sliding in and out and the wipers not ever leaving a trace on the tubes. Over lots of miles and millions of suspension cycles it does get used.
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Good info! Have done the same thing to Sportsters in the past. Also, what wt. shock oil do these dressers need? 10-15..? Depending what kind of riding you do, I wonder if you can get better suspension using 5wt. over the stock recommended ? Used 20wt. in a few Sportys years back; night and day difference. Also used Sikolene oil. Just make sure you measure what comes out each side and put that same amt. back in. Good luck!
Some guys are recommending SE Heavy, which is a 15w oil. They also have an SE Extra Heavy, but that would likely be too stiff.
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Well, I decided to tackle the fork-oil change earlier this evening. It took me about an hour to do the job using the top-fill method. It was mostly a piece of cake, and here's the blow by blow doing one side at a time:

1. Remove ignition switch and the two screws holding the inner-fairing cap. Lifting the cap out of the way gives access to the fork top plug. I tried a 36mm socket but there wasn't room, same for a crescent, but the 36mm wrench in the tool kit was the solution. The plug is not on tight and removal is easy.

2. I used a ½" clear plastic tube cut to about 10" in length and inserted a small funnel on one end and stuck the other end into the fork top. It was a tight fit but worked. I wire-tied the funnel to the handlebars to keep it from slipping. Put a plastic bag on the tank to protect it from fluid that might spill out of the funnel.

3. Once the top plug is removed the vacuum is released, so draining should be no problem. It indeed wasn't once the bottom drain plug was removed, and that was the biggest problem of the whole job. Those damn Phillips screws were in very tight and I almost couldn't get them off. Don't even try to remove them with a Phillips screwdriver, but instead get a #3 Phillips bit and use a 3/8" or 1/2" ratchet, putting heavy pressure on the screw while you turn it. It was close, but I got both of them without stripping the head after rapping moderately with an impact screwdriver (not an impact wrench).

3. Once this screw is out the fluid begins to drain. My right side came out slowly at first until I used a toothpick to loosen some gunk that partially plugged the hole. There is no need to pump the forks to release all the oil, as in time (about 5 min.) the oil completely drains, all 10.8 oz. of it (Note: RK's hold 11.1 oz.). It is a black, smelly fluid that doesn't resemble any hydraulic or other oil I've ever encountered. It looks like it has moly or graphite in it. Once the old fluid is out, replace the screw, but there's no need to tighten it as much as was done at the factory. The manual says 78-96 inch-pounds, but I didn't torque mine, rather just tightened it firmly, not "guttentight."

4. I filled with SE Heavy (not the Extra Heavy variety), which is reportedly 15w (stock is 10w). Fill slowly about 2-3 oz. at a time, then pump the forks each time to force the oil past the damping valve. After about 3-4 pumps you start hearing a hollow sucking noise, which suggested to me that it had cleared the valve. RK's may not need to do this step-by-step pumping approach since they don't have the damper valve installed. That process took maybe 10 min. for each side. Spec for EG's is 10.8 oz., 11.1 oz. for RK's.

5. Finally, replace the top plug, do the other side, then replace the top plug, inner-fairing cap, and ignition switch.

This is definitely the way to change the fork oil on these bikes, IMO, and I may do this job every 10k, certainly not more than every 20k. As I said, it took about an hour, but next time I think I could do it in 45 min. now that I know the routine. Thanks to all who encouraged me to try this method.

A ride revealed a slightly firmer feel to the front-end with the SE fluid, but it is not harsh. Corners felt very secure, but my 10-mile ride didn't give it a good test for bottoming, etc. It felt taut and secure, however, and these early results are positive.

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Nice post iclick. I assumed the top forks were spring loaded, guess not. It looks like the fluid change is easier than most bikes.
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Thanks for nice the write up.
How much did you end up putting back in.
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Nice post iclick. I assumed the top forks were spring loaded, guess not. It looks like the fluid change is easier than most bikes.
The forks are spring-loaded, but not at the top plug. The top plug screws into the fork tube plug, accessible only with fork off the bike, and that one is spring loaded. Not having to deal with the spring makes this job much easier.
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Thanks for nice the write up.
How much did you end up putting back in.
10.8 oz. came out, 10.8 oz. went back in. This is the spec for the bike, but note that RK's are 11.1 oz. Also, I found the torque spec for the drain plug in the manual, which is 78-96 inch-pounds. I edited the tutorial above to reflect this info.
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