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Old 01-18-2008, 11:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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DYNO numbers for 2008-110 cubic inch SE

Was at Rod Performance had a 110 SE UC with rinehearts air kit and power comander .the numbers were not what I thought they would be horse power was at 82 and torque was at around 98lbs. thougth it would be a lot more.
Has anyone else heard of numbers for this bike?:If this the case a 103 build will out perform the 2008 SE bike!
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Old 01-18-2008, 01:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Was at Rod Performance had a 110 SE UC with rinehearts air kit and power comander .the numbers were not what I thought they would be horse power was at 82 and torque was at around 98lbs. thougth it would be a lot more.
Has anyone else heard of numbers for this bike?:If this the case a 103 build will out perform the 2008 SE bike!
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Put in a different cam, have the heads ported, and add some compression, you should gain 15-25% at a minimum.
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Old 01-18-2008, 05:02 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I agree with you but for the money their paying for that bike ,just thought it would have more power.




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Put in a different cam, have the heads ported, and add some compression, you should gain 15-25% at a minimum.
He would be right about that.
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Thing is mine is a stock 96.

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My dad purchased the 07 SE 110 dyna and threw a cam in it. I have a 07 WG with a built 103. On the dyno he is running about 90hp/100lbs. while im running about 101 hp/108lbs. I also spent about 10k less than he did overall. The problem with the SE 110 is the heads. The heads to me are very sloppy. The compression that the SE 110 is about 9.8-1 while im running about 10.8-1.

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Old 01-19-2008, 10:08 AM   #7 (permalink)
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My dad purchased the 07 SE 110 dyna and threw a cam in it. I have a 07 WG with a built 103. On the dyno he is running about 90hp/100lbs. while im running about 101 hp/108lbs. I also spent about 10k less than he did overall. The problem with the SE 110 is the heads. The heads to me are very sloppy. The compression that the SE 110 is about 9.8-1 while im running about 10.8-1.
THat's what I'm talking about I have 2007 UC change to a 103, heads ported change cylinders and piston and put a wood cam with 575 lift, dyno no. were at 100hp plus 107ft. lbs. of torquefor a lot less money. compared to what a SE110 cost.


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Was at Rod Performance had a 110 SE UC with rinehearts air kit and power comander .the numbers were not what I thought they would be horse power was at 82 and torque was at around 98lbs. thougth it would be a lot more.
Has anyone else heard of numbers for this bike?
There is more left to be had. I saw one get mid 90's on Hp and lower 100's torque just can't remember the exact numbers. The tuner said he could have gotten more if it didn't have the sh!tty stock air filter setup. This was a 07 SE Ultra with Rineheart TD's.
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The SE bikes EPA friendly and that means...no power. As stated a cam and some head work will wake up the bike.
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Old 01-20-2008, 02:48 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Se 110

Here's my previously loved 2006 RG with Stage II w/203 cams, SERT, & V&H Pro-pipe. The SE 110 does have more torque (90 vs 80) at 2500 rpm, but at 3500 rpm loses the battle slightly at (SE110) 95trq vs (SE95) 98trq, at 4000rpm (SE110) 95trq vs (SE95) 100trq.

Kinda strange that their stage II 95" should have a slight edge, but also consider pipes, cams, air cleaner, & tuner can have a definite influence. The 95" is a probably a more reliable motor as well (based on comments I've heard on the CVO forum).
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Was at Rod Performance had a 110 SE UC with rinehearts air kit and power comander .the numbers were not what I thought they would be horse power was at 82 and torque was at around 98lbs. thougth it would be a lot more.
Has anyone else heard of numbers for this bike?:If this the case a 103 build will out perform the 2008 SE bike!
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After my last dyno tune last May, I hit 98tq/95hp from my 95" build. The next bike on the dyno was a '07 SE Ultra with the 110" motor.........he hit 97tq/81hp.....the owner couldn't believe it and starting asking me what he should do to get numbers like my 95" build did.........LOL. After putting in slip-ons, air cleaner, and a PCIII...........the numbers were better but still not what is expected out of a 110" motor. The heads and cams are killing any HD stock motor........until you replace them the numbers just aren't going to be there.

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Old 01-20-2008, 05:15 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The owner of the 2008SE UC was very upset with the numbers that he got on the Dyno At Rod's Performance, I guess I would have been also if I had spent about $40.000 on a bike.

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The only way I can put thhings into perspective or could justify buying a MOCO SE build is to realize your pretty much buying a limited edition bike. You don't buy the SE factory bikes for performance. Just like the old muscle car days, Auto makers sold many SS, Hemi, Cobra vehicles that were as they toted "High Performance" . We all know by going to a custom or high performance builder we can get more for less, interms of the engine performance of the motor, but in the end what holds it's value. If you put all kinds of money into your bike customizing it you will never the money out of it. Buy a factory SE Ultra Classic, in the end the value will be higher regardless of what you put into your bike. It's the nature of the beast. They set the values as well as the resale values, are they worth more now? Maybe, maybe not but what will the values be say 20, 30 years from now if you have one? Will they be collectors items in the future?

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With the Issues with crank shifts that the 96 and as I understand it even more with the 110 engine, I wonder if Harley is de-tuning these engines to take some stress off the crank pin.

Looking at some of the 2008 engines I have seen sheets on(Latus Harley has a bunch on there website) I have noticed that regardless of exhaust used, there seems to be a torque dip below 2800, compared to the 2007 ones.

I wonder If, in the program the throttle is not going to WOT until a set RPM is reached.
From talking with Techs that work on Harley Engines, the general thought on why the cranks shift is from too much torque at too low of engine RPM.
(I.E.) Not down-shifting to make a pass, just cranking it on to do the pass at Low RPM (Less then 2400) Of down shifting and dumping the clutch without raising the RPM before letting the clutch out first.

I just wonder if with the throttle now under the control of the ECM, if they are doing this to help the cranks out.

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From talking with Techs that work on Harley Engines, the general thought on why the cranks shift is from too much torque at too low of engine RPM.
(I.E.) Not down-shifting to make a pass, just cranking it on to do the pass at Low RPM (Less then 2400) Of down shifting and dumping the clutch without raising the RPM before letting the clutch out first.

I just wonder if with the throttle now under the control of the ECM, if they are doing this to help the cranks out.

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I had a Tech at the one dealer I was at tell me pretty much the same thing. He figures most of the wasted cranks he has seen are from folks that forget there is a shifter under their left foot. He said with the 110 guys are thinking they have a 110 so they should be able to just twist the throttle in any gear to pass or climb steep hills. As you said ECM throttle control is one way they can help things live, it makes sense from a warranty POV. We had a piece of heavy equipment with tbw that would takes its time opening up, the guy doing a demo of the unit said they reduced transmission warranty claims by almost 50% with that little gem. If the end user won't control them self then I guess big brother will have to. I'm sure if someone makes changes that defeat these items and damage is done warranty may very well be impacted.

But then on the flip side one would expect a product that isn't so fragile that it takes a sh!t at the drop of a hat. I think its up to the MoCo to install a crankshaft that is up to the task, instead of putting on band aids to hopefully make the product live through the warranty period and then become the end users problem.
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