turn signal cancellation help

[rickr01]

I was going to post this in electrical but because of the nature of the FXD speedo, I thought It more appropriate to post it here. I was wondering if anybody knows which wire going from the turn signal module to the speedo is the right one to cut, to do away with the self cancelling function of the turn signals. I want to push the button and have the signals flash long enough that I feel comfortable shutting it down myself with another push of the button. I was told it may be the green and white but that this may not be applicable to the FXD. I can't stand the self cancelling signals. Thanx

[rickr01]

Nobody has made this mod? Well, I guess I'll figure it out this weekend one way or the other

[ChopperDude]

Honestly... I think it's a bad idea. Not sure what problem you have with the self cancelling, but it's pretty smart. It uses:
lean detection
distance detection
time detection

before turning off. If you're stopped at a stop light, they'll blink FOREVER until you actually turn, then turn off.

If you're going down the interstate, and changing lanes, they do the GREATEST of distance/time (no lean involved).

There's really no reason to "not trust" it, believe me.

[rickr01]

Originally Posted by ChopperDude

Honestly... I think it's a bad idea. Not sure what problem you have with the self cancelling, but it's pretty smart. It uses:
lean detection
distance detection
time detection

before turning off. If you're stopped at a stop light, they'll blink FOREVER until you actually turn, then turn off.

If you're going down the interstate, and changing lanes, they do the GREATEST of distance/time (no lean involved).

There's really no reason to "not trust" it, believe me.

Chopper dude, I'm not so sure that my 1998 is as advanced as that but I could be wrong. I know it does rely on distance and here in Vermont many of our rural secondary roads have 50mph speed limits. The thing self cancels long before I want it to. I start the signaling more in advance because of these speed limits and end up punching it sometime two and three times before completing my turn. It's a matter of safety. Tourists pay more attention to the mountains, trees and their cell phones then the biker in front of them. At 55Mph which is the bottom end of their speed spectrum, I want them to have all the warning I can give them without me having to constantly be distracted by whether my signal is still flashing or not. I can't tell you how many times I've heard the squeeling of brakes behind me despite my bright and well advanced signaling which includes arm signals as well.

[ChopperDude]

Originally Posted by rickr01

Chopper dude, I'm not so sure that my 1998 is as advanced as that but I could be wrong.

Dude.... my bad. You're totally right. I didn't even look in your profile to see if you listed your bike (wasn't in your OP), but yes... the turn signal canceller used back then is MUCH less "smart" than the newer stuff.

Seems like 90+% of the folks on here have Twin Cams as opposed to Evos (or older), so I just "assumed".

Unfortunately... I don't have a schematic of that, or know it well enough to help you.

But thinking about it... the turn signal buttons "feed" the canceller (tell it you want to start the blinking process). The canceller itself then starts to supply the signal to the bulbs (supplies voltage to turn bulb on, cuts voltage to turn off). The canceller then internally decides when to stop supplying the "signal" to the bulbs. I don't see that you could modify that behavior by cutting any wires?

I could certainly be wrong, but as a former tech (and a programmer who has designed electrical components).... not sure how you'd accomplish this.

Keep us posted though if you figure it out... I'm certainly curious how it will work out.

[hotshotfxdl]

Badlands makes a module for that I believe and it works off a timer

[roadkingkruizer]

Originally Posted by rickr01

Chopper dude, I'm not so sure that my 1998 is as advanced as that but I could be wrong. I know it does rely on distance and here in Vermont many of our rural secondary roads have 50mph speed limits. The thing self cancels long before I want it to. I start the signaling more in advance because of these speed limits and end up punching it sometime two and three times before completing my turn. It's a matter of safety. Tourists pay more attention to the mountains, trees and their cell phones then the biker in front of them. At 55Mph which is the bottom end of their speed spectrum, I want them to have all the warning I can give them without me having to constantly be distracted by whether my signal is still flashing or not. I can't tell you how many times I've heard the squeeling of brakes behind me despite my bright and well advanced signaling which includes arm signals as well.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the older TSM cancels after ~21 seconds, so I would hold the button for a while, thus keeping the timmer from counting until you take your thumb off the button then you have about 21 seconds before the signal shuts off. Your owners manual might have this explanation too.

Ltr, rkk

P.S. the newer TSM has about ~30 seconds delay, plus all the other functions for self canceling.

[rickr01]

Thanks for all the advice......I am almost positive that there is a wire going to the speedo that can be cut, effectively eliminating the self cancel function without any other ill effect. Punch it on for as long as you want then punch it off when you want it off. I would put a connector on the wire so that it could easily be reconnected if someone wanted the function re-established. I'll do more research.

[hotshotfxdl]

O I misunderstood your question. See mine no longer works because I dont have the stock speedo etc..... I have to do mine manually like u want to. I always forget to reset my signal and people yell to me at an intersection your turn signal is on.
I believe you are right but my 2001 wiring wont match your.
Suggestion though I have a Deckota Digital Speedo. They have lots of wiring diagrams on there site, might help.

[rickr01]

Originally Posted by hotshotfxdl

O I misunderstood your question. See mine no longer works because I dont have the stock speedo etc..... I have to do mine manually like u want to. I always forget to reset my signal and people yell to me at an intersection your turn signal is on.
I believe you are right but my 2001 wiring wont match your.
Suggestion though I have a Deckota Digital Speedo. They have lots of wiring diagrams on there site, might help.

Thanks Hotshot. I don't know why yours wouldn't work with the Dakota? I have all Dakota digital gauges to. They even made me a fuel gauge that works with my FXD sender unit so all gauges match, and with no more gauge moisture like I always had with stock guages. I love the Dakota stuff. Anyway, my sender works fine with the Dakota and that reminds me that the Dakota directions came with a single wire modification and the clip to make the modification and if memory serves me correctly it was so the self cancel would work properly...Thanks, you may have just given me the answer. It's been years but I still have the directions on file.

[hotshotfxdl]

Yeah long story why mine doesnt work but this winter I will probably try to go in there and fix it. I will have the tank off so why not.