Rotating forward controls

[02FXDXT]

My (used) fxdxt came with Kuryakn forward controls.
They don't seem like anything too fancy.

The Kuryakn parts seem to be the 'stuff' that brings controls
to the front area (longer shift/brake actuator rods, peg mount plates).

The actual male-mount pegs seem to be HD parts. (the 'Airfoil' model).

Anyway,, the previous owner gave me a box with all the original
mid-mount stuff.
In that box, I found matching 'Airfoil' HD stirrups.

I decided to mount them for 2 reasons:
1) The HD pegs that are there seem to be too short. My feet would
want to slide off the outer edge.
I would find myself constantly contracting inner leg muscles
just to keep my feet on the pegs.
The stirrups' mounts are like 3/4" thick, so mounting them actually
pushed the pegs out farther a little bit.
2) I like the comfort of floorboards. The stirrups seem to give
floorboard comfort, kinda sorta.

Now for my problem:

While riding with the stirrups, the weight of my heels make the entire
footpeg/stirrup setup rotate downwards.

The mounting bolt that holds the footpegs to the forward controls
is an allen bolt that has a tapered head, which comes thru the Kury
mounting plate (which is mounted to the frame).

I cranked these bolts so freakin hard I thought everything was going to snap.
No dice, everything still rotates.

Basically, it's one smooth chromed surface butting up against another,
and the bit of lever action from the stirrups causes enough torque
to let it rotate.
*this pic does NOT have the stirrups,, I took this before I mounted them


What the hell can I do here?

Has this happened to any of you?

Any remedies??

Thanks for any help, believe me I do appreciate the input.

[LoneEagle964]

you could try taking a star washer and placing it between the 2 smooth surfaces other than that make sure the bolt is not to long and bottoming out .

LoneEagle

[02FXDXT]

Thanks for the idea man, I will hit up the hardware store tomorrow for that star washer.
(The bolt is not bottoming out, I checked that).

[02FXDXT]

Today, I went to a hardware store, and picked up a couple of 'star' washers.
I placed them in the spot where the rotation occurred.
It seems to kinda lock into place.
A quick 5 minute ride proved that it helped.
I'm a little worried about the gap that now exists?
Take a look...

I hope this cures the rotating peg problem. Time will tell.

I'm thinking that vibes + long riding time will cause them to spin again.
I'm hoping this doesn't happen.
Honestly-- what a dumb design.

[02FXDXT]

Question: in your forward controls, what is the length of the bolt
that holds the peg in place?
Mine is 1"...
Could it be that it's too short, therefore not grabbing/pulling enough of
the threads in the shaft piece?

[d1hojo]

HD pegs don't work on kuryakn right with the stirups. Chek out thier web site to see what works with whataond so on.

[02FXDXT]

Originally Posted by d1hojo

HD pegs don't work on kuryakn right with the stirups.

If you don't mind me asking,
why do you say this?
A male-mount footpeg is a male-mount footpeg, no?
Whether it's HD or KUry or whatever, the problem is where the
extension peg bolts to the forward control plate.
I'm still baffled by this.

I tried a local HD dealer for help...

First, I needed 7 or 8 minutes to make they parts guy
understand what what an FXDXT 'T-sport' is.
("What, is that a Honda?" he said.)

Next, he had nothing to offer regarding advice or suggestions
except for to weld the peg to the bracket.

[d1hojo]

If you would go to the kuryakin web site you will see that there is a different stirup set up for harley pegs. HD pegs are a little shorter than the kur pegs and you need a different mount. Not all but some.

[02FXDXT]

Sorry guys, I'm not sure if
I'm getting my point across.

Whether the peg/stirrup is HD,
Kury, OCC,, hell- even if there
Is a vise grip: that's not the issue.

The issue is; whatever we got there,
When there's pressure applied,
It makes the long axis rotate.

There's one bolt that pulls the
Extension shaft to the fwd control bracket plate.
It's the nice smooth chrome thing
That the stirrup then peg attach to
Via its female end.

Even with no peg or stirrup,
If you for ex put a screwdriver thru the female end,
Then add torque,
The shaft rotates.
No matter how hard I crank the
Hex bolt on the other side of the fwd control bracket plate.
I dunno, man, does anyone know what
The heck I'm talking about?!

I can't be the only one this has
Ever happened to?

[Cap'n Dave]

Red Loctite the devils on! The only thing I can come up with other than that involves a drill and a cross pin...

[02FXDXT]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Dave

Red Loctite the devils on!

I did that already! Didn't work either...

[Cap'n Dave]

I understand completely what is happening, although your diagram/pictures are very good. I wish some of my engineers could figure out how to be that descriptive. Lol. The star washers were probably the better idea. As far a bolt length is concerned, i dont think it would matter as long as you were getting more than 4 or 5 threads in on the female side, the amount of pressure where the two peices mate up would be the same. My last idea would be to take some course sandpaper to the two mating surfaces and rough them up a bit, hopefully creating more friction against the torque you are applying with the heel rest....

dunno if it will work bud, but thats the best i can suggest....

[02FXDXT]

Yep, thanks for the continued ideas...

Man, it just seems weird that there aren't any splines, teeth or something of that nature
to lock the shaft into position.

Look, I'll eventually overcome this. Actually, that star washer may do the trick.

But for conversation, has this happened to anyone else?
Can I be the only one on this forum?

[ChopperDude]

Not many people run those stirrups. As a tech, I worked on (and rode) TONS of bikes, and I can only think of a couple that had them.

Without the stirrup, the rotation problem goes away, and I guess the designer of that system didn't think about it.

Most forward controls (softails etc), are fixed, and CAN'T rotate. That Dyna system is kind've a "let's give 'em some way of putting on forwards", but isn't the best way.

I think your star washer system may be the best thing you can do.

[02FXDXT]

Tue. 11:25am...
Just spoke to tech support...
The guy said he's never heard of this problem (except for limited problems with metric adapter kits).

Anyhow, after some additional discussion, he mentioned that the extension shafts have
left and right-hand thread patterns respectively (to tighten as pressure is applied).

HMMM, there's a chance that mine could be mounted backwards.

I will investigate....