04 SE E-Glide Enhanced Stereo

[KennyC]

I just traded for a 04SE E-Glide. The stereo sounds OK sitting still or going slow. But start down the hi-way and at about fifty-five it sounds like someone singing thru a fan.The volume is also very weak at upper speeds. The system has a amp attached to the tour pack. Any solutions out there short of a new system? Thanks KennyC

[JCZ]

Originally Posted by KennyC

I just traded for a 04SE E-Glide. The stereo sounds OK sitting still or going slow. But start down the hi-way and at about fifty-five it sounds like someone singing thru a fan.The volume is also very weak at upper speeds. The system has a amp attached to the tour pack. Any solutions out there short of a new system? Thanks KennyC

I ride the same bike.....bought it new. An 04 Screamin Eagle Electra Glide didn't come with a tour pack or an external amp. The only amp on the 04 and 05 SEEG was internal in the head unit and is a 2 channel system.

It sounds like somebody may have changed your unit out to a 4 channel unit. Those came stock on Ultra Classics.

I upgraded my two speakers to Hog Tunes and I've lived with that. It made it better but not great......not compared to the 09 Street Glide.

If you want to really bump your system up......I'd suggest looking at Hawg Wired. That whole system (amps and all) fit up in the fairing and actually run cooler than the stock system. Much louder and much clearer.......I've got several friends that ride with Hawg Wired and they're very happy with the $ spent.

[KennyC]

Thanks JCZ for the info. Seems the previous owner ordered this bike like an Ultra. It has a King Tour Pack, solid mount, no detach, with this amp underneath. I'm not sure if the amp even works properly. I've only had the bike 11 days and 200 miles. It's been cold here or I'd have more miles. I've got the orange and black one. I traded a 06 Street Glide for it. I've loved this SE ever since the first look. I finally got one.Again thanks for the information. Got to get the tunes working. Thanks. KennyC.

[JCZ]

Originally Posted by KennyC

Thanks JCZ for the info. Seems the previous owner ordered this bike like an Ultra. It has a King Tour Pack, solid mount, no detach, with this amp underneath. I'm not sure if the amp even works properly. I've only had the bike 11 days and 200 miles. It's been cold here or I'd have more miles. I've got the orange and black one. I traded a 06 Street Glide for it. I've loved this SE ever since the first look. I finally got one.Again thanks for the information. Got to get the tunes working. Thanks. KennyC.

Kenny, the chopped tour pack or the King Tour pack could be ordered painted to match. I ordered the King Tour pack and chose to mount mine with quick release.

Back to your question, I suspect that who ever owned that bike may have upgraded to an Ultra Classic stereo system. Let's start with what brand is the head unit? I suspect that it may be a Harmon Kardon?

If it is (or whatever brand it is) if it's working fine for you, you could make it a quick release if you can find somebody to put the disconnect plug into your wiring harness.

Are your back speakers working?

Does the amp have a brand name on it?

I've got to say that it's curiously odd that somebody would have changed this out.........lot of $ for sure.

You've got a hell of a bike, though.........you definately made the right move. Congratulations.........

[KennyC]

Hey JCZ, The radio in my bike is the factory radio/cd player. The amp in question is Harley attached to the tour pack. Front and rear speakers work together. The fade option seems only to make it louder not move the sound more to the front or back?Again at upper speeds it sounds terrible. Maybe the Hawg Wired amp in the farring would be better then I could go detachable on the tour pack. Is the wiring detachable set up neet and easy to hide? I haven't had a chance to look for any loose connections on the sound system yet or had any one at Harley look at it either. Thanks for the props on the SE E-Glide. I really like it too! Thanks for your help. Kenny

[JCZ]

Originally Posted by KennyC

Hey JCZ, The radio in my bike is the factory radio/cd player. The amp in question is Harley attached to the tour pack. Front and rear speakers work together. The fade option seems only to make it louder not move the sound more to the front or back?Again at upper speeds it sounds terrible. Maybe the Hawg Wired amp in the farring would be better then I could go detachable on the tour pack. Is the wiring detachable set up neet and easy to hide? I haven't had a chance to look for any loose connections on the sound system yet or had any one at Harley look at it either. Thanks for the props on the SE E-Glide. I really like it too! Thanks for your help. Kenny

The OEM stereo in the 04 SEEG can not use an external amp. I got that straight from Radio Sound (the people that made the sound systems for HD before Harmon Kardon) so that amp isn't doing anything for you and is probably not connected.

That would explain why your stereo can't be heard at freeway speeds. I'd suggest Hawg Wired if you really want something that's made for that particular stereo.

Jim at Metal Dragon can answer all your stereo questions and happens to be a dealer for Hawg Wired. He's an elctrical wizard......seriously! You can contact him at (tell him J.C. referred you):

Metaldragon@sbcglobal.net

By the way, Jim works on more CVOs than any other shop in the nation, including dealerships. He's always got a shop full of them.

[Just-Us-6]

Hey Kenny,
I had an 04 SEEG and had the Hawg Wired system on it. I got the two channel amp and the better componet speakers. That system rocked! It had great sound and plenty of volume, I would highly recomend it!

[sprtf762]

I would change the speakers - i bet that they aren't rated to handle the higher output of the amplifier. You're raising the volume on the road and getting distortion. A few notes:

There is no 2 channel or 4 channel system - there was, and is, only one system available. Before 2006 that system was made by Radio Sound, after that by Harmon Kardon.

There is NO reason why the Radio Sound system can't use an external amplifier. In fact, Radio Sound DID/DOES make one for that radio - it is still available in the P&A catalog and you can see it right under your own tour pack.

[JCZ]

Originally Posted by sprtf762

I would change the speakers - i bet that they aren't rated to handle the higher output of the amplifier. You're raising the volume on the road and getting distortion. A few notes:

There is no 2 channel or 4 channel system - there was, and is, only one system available. Before 2006 that system was made by Radio Sound, after that by Harmon Kardon.

There is NO reason why the Radio Sound system can't use an external amplifier. In fact, Radio Sound DID/DOES make one for that radio - it is still available in the P&A catalog and you can see it right under your own tour pack.

Here is a letter that I got from Radio Sound in response to my question about adding rear speakers:

"It's technically possible to do what he wants (add rear speakers), but there's no actual 'canned' solution.

Inside the radio, the high power amplifier operates in parallel with the front speaker amps. (The radio is the 2-channel classic with the ESS amplifier added). The base radio amp is turned on so that someone could potentially add rear speakers.

There are a few issues with actually adding the rear speakersharness:
-A new harness would need to be developed to take the speaker output from the radio to the added rear speakers.
-Fade control: There would be no fade control (since you are essentially using four front speakers).
-Amp level: The rear speakers would have power output at the base radio level, (unless you added a two channel ESS rear speaker kit.)

If you pop the fairing off you will see two spade terminals wire tied to the harness near each speaker. You will need to run these out to rear speakers with the above caveats."

About a week later I received another one, correcting this one.....telling me that to add two rear speakers would overload the amp, causing it to overheat and blow out prematurely. This can be confirmed by a simple quick call to John Smith at Radio Sound. I've done my research.

I realize that this is the internet and we don't know each other. Let me just say that when I post something as fact......it's based on fact.

When the 04 Screamin Eagle Electra Glide came out, being a moderator on the CVO owners forum as well as one of the first owners of this model, I wanted to know everything there was to know about this model. Not speculatiion, not assumptions, I wanted facts! I made calls and I wrote letters (the dealerships didn't and still don't know squat about the differences of CVOs....for instance, the stereo in an 04 Screamin Eagle Electra Glide is not the same stereo as the one in an 04 Ultra Classic. Surprised? Dealerships are too.). When it comes to the 04 and 05 Screamin Eagle Electra Glide as well as other CVO models, if I'm writing it, you can take it to the bank. I leave the speculation and assumptions to the keyboard warriors.

As for "no 2 channel, four channel system"..........I guess somebody should let Radio Sound know that.

[JCZ]

Originally Posted by Just-Us-6

Hey Kenny,
I had an 04 SEEG and had the Hawg Wired system on it. I got the two channel amp and the better componet speakers. That system rocked! It had great sound and plenty of volume, I would highly recomend it!

Kenny......this is fact. These two speakers sound as nice or better than an Ultra Classics 4 speaker system. You can get the Hawg Wired system from Jim (the one I sent you his phone number) at a discount. Just be sure to let him know it's for a 2 channel system or an 04 SEEG. Jim knows the difference......he rides an 05 SEEG. Hawg wired makes an amp that runs cooler than any other amp out there. It wasn't available back in 04 or 05 but it is now. They're (Hawg Wired owner/designers/father and son) from Hayward, too and are friends with Jim.

Pez (Hog Tunes)also makes speakers for the 2 channel system and this is what I have in my SEEG.

Both are a marked improvement over the stock speakers.

By the way, in your PM to me you mentioned that you'd learned from the original owner that the amp isn't even hooked up. You could sale that to help off set the cost of getting your system to the level that you want it. That amp should work on any Electra Glide Standard or Electra Glide Classic where they want to add the four speaker system like the Ultra Classic. The wiring harness in all three models is the same. I'd think you can sale that amp very easily and get the Hawg Wired amp (it mounts inside the fairing......they can do that because they run so much cooler than stock amp).

[JCZ]

Just found another letter from John Smith (digging back in my archives now) where he tells me that the stereo head unit has to be changed out to a stock Electra Glide stereo in order to add rear speakers:

Reply #61 on: March 02, 2004, 07:09:06 PM » Quote Modify Remove Split Topic

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Here's the response from the horses mouth..... Subject: SEEG rear speakers


Hello J.C.,

The Road Rumble 40(r) would not be compatible with the SEEG radio because
Harley-Davidson radios do not have low level RCA outputs that this amplifier
is designed to utilize.

The Amplified CD radio used on the 2004 Screaming Eagle Electra Glide
FLHTCSE is unique to this model motorcycle. The SEEG radio has 4 ohm
speakers in the fairing and an Enhanced Sound System (ESS) amplifier
contained inside the radio driving the speakers. All other stock (non SEEG)
radios use 8 ohm speakers.

The SEEG radio differs in other ways from the Ultra and Classic radios. The
outputs from the standard radio amplifiers are internally diverted from the
black radio connector to the internal ESS amplifier. This leaves the
standard speaker output wires in the interconnect harness in the fairing
with no output. As a result, rear speakers can be added but, not as easily
to the SEEG motorcycle as to other models.

To add rear speakers to a SEEG:

* Install the King Tourpak and Four Speaker ESS kit, part number 77194-02A.
* The 2004 Amplified CD SEEG radio must be replaced with a 2004 Classic
radio, Harley-Davidson part number 76164-04.

NOTE: Remove the CVO Audio harness and 15A radio amplifier fuse in the fuse
panel (harness includes a 23 pin Grey connector, speaker wires, ground wire
to left ground stud and power wire from the fuse block). This wiring harness
is no longer needed and should be removed from the motorcycle when the ESS
harness is installed.

Using the wrong speaker wires (a possibility if the CVO audio harness is not
removed) will result in a no sound condition. Locate the interconnect
harness speaker wires which were previously unused and taped out of the way.
Connect them to the newly installed ESS wiring harness per the instruction
sheet. These speaker wires are LTGN/W and W/O on the left side and LTGN/BK
and GY/R on the right side. Using these wires will route the output of the
new Classic radio to the Four Speaker ESS amplifier.

If you have any further questions, I will be happy to assist you.

Best regards,


John Smith
Senior Technical Advisor
johns@radiosound.com

[Glenn W]

Thanks for sharing all that-could help a lot of folks in the future!

[KennyC]

Thanks everone for your responses.Haven't been on the site in a while. Hopefully when I get time work on it I'm sure I'll check out your suggestions. Any other ideas greatly appreaciated. Thanks again, KennyC

[Glenn W]

Originally Posted by KennyC

Thanks everone for your responses.Haven't been on the site in a while. Hopefully when I get time work on it I'm sure I'll check out your suggestions. Any other ideas greatly appreaciated. Thanks again, KennyC

Maybe I missed it, but is it a Harley amp under the trunk? It's always a possiblity that we're talking about an aftermarket setup with high level inputs spliced into the front speaker wires? Not stirring or anything, just seen a LOT of different things on used bikes.

[backinblack]

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We have installed several including one on my 2009 FLHX. the main system consist of a 200 watt amplifier, a special harness and two aluminum cone speakers with titanium tweeters. The high frequency, midrange and midbass are excellent! louder than the factory system. If you want to go all out, flip a high pass filter on the amp, this will block out all frequencys below 80hz(lower bass) then add a 6.5" 100 watt powered subwoofer in the tour pack and you have a full blown full range system. I sell these if you have more interest. email sales.avc@gmail.com