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Old 01-18-2017, 07:47 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Bingo. If we followed the Constitution we wouldn't even be having this conversation. As far as that goes, if we followed the Constitution a majority of the problems we face would disappear or shrink.

Isn't MO permitless because a law was recently passed? If so, y'all are still at the mercy of poiticians who can change with the wind again, at any time...

Which is exactly what I think of a national reciprocity law. It's a poor substitute for the 2nd amendment.

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Yes, while Mo has had concealed carry by permit for years, no permit carry went into effect on 1/1/17. I plan to keep my permit updated (permits will still be offered at the local sheriff's departments) because to benefit from states that recognize MO's permit, I need to have the MO permit.
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Old 01-18-2017, 08:01 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Long overdue. Stuff like states restricting the 2nd Amendment never should have got as far as they did... Supreme court should have tossed those laws long ago. But then again, our government isn't following the rules established in our Constitution anymore anyway...
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Old 01-18-2017, 01:52 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Seems to me as though there are two common hurdles when states consider reciprocity. Training and background checks.

I'm prior Military, so I did not have to do CCW training. That may not be an option in some states. Some states may require "more extensive" training than others - although I can't imagine what that means. Most of the CCW training I've read about is not much more than familiarization training.

Background checks are probably the real kicker. Some states require more comprehensive background checks than others - and that's probably what kills reciprocity in a lot of cases.

So is this an issue of all 50 states finding common ground with regard to CCW permits? Or is it a "national CCW" proposal?

If the Feds are issuing CCW permits, we can probably kiss gun trade shows goodbye and expect a much more tedious process for buying a firearm - I would think.
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Old 01-18-2017, 03:27 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Anybody can hit a full size human paper target that's 7 yards away...here in Misery it's like 7 out of 21 shots gets a qualified. It's the classroom knowledge that they want ya to know.....legal ramifications of pulling that piece out and firing it.
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Old 01-18-2017, 03:44 PM   #20 (permalink)
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As I said, I was interested to know what folks think.
I'm not sure what the answer is. For my personal convenience, I would like to not be concerned when entering other states. That said, I'm a simple constitutionalist and feel we already 'own' the right to carry anywhere the constitution holds sway.
I do not like the idea of the Feds overriding states' choices. Washington grabs power whenever possible. This is not a good thing because Washington is corrupt from top to bottom and very good at incrementalism. Open a crack and soon you have a crevice to swallow us all. There is more than one 'separation of powers' that the framers provided and states' rights is one.
I would like to see a new movement of state governors meeting on a regular basis and hashing out these things. 10th amendment, man. Good ****, but not leveraged.
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Old 01-18-2017, 06:29 PM   #21 (permalink)
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"Effective December 1, 2011, North Carolina automatically recognizes concealed carry permits issued in any other state."
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Didn't we get the qualifying shots portion removed in recent years, even before permitless CCW?

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Didn't we get the qualifying shots portion removed in recent years, even before permitless CCW?
Not sure....did we? Been a long time since I checked.
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Just looked up VA:
The court shall require proof that the applicant has demonstrated competence with a handgun and the applicant may demonstrate such competence by one of the following, but no applicant shall be required to submit to any additional demonstration of competence:

1.Completing any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries or a similar agency of another state;

2.Completing any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;

3.Completing any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law-enforcement agency, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association or the Department of Criminal Justice Services;

4.Completing any law-enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;

5.Presenting evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or current military service or proof of an honorable discharge from any branch of the armed services;

6.Obtaining or previously having held a license to carry a firearm in this Commonwealth or a locality thereof, unless such license has been revoked for cause;

7.Completing any firearms training or safety course or class, including an electronic, video, or on-line course, conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor;

8.Completing any governmental police agency firearms training course and qualifying to carry a firearm in the course of normal police duties; or

9.Completing any other firearms training which the court deems adequate.

A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any of the courses or classes; an affidavit from the instructor, school, club, organization, or group that conducted or taught such course or class attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant; or a copy of any document which shows completion of the course or class or evidences participation in firearms competition shall constitute evidence of qualification under this subsection.

No applicant shall be required to submit to any additional demonstration of competence, nor shall any proof of demonstrated competence expire.

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#7 makes me laugh. Proof of competence?? Don't know if I would call it that.
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Old 01-19-2017, 05:02 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Losing hair and memory is not good.........MO still has a shooting requirement when going for the permit............20 rounds from either a revolver or a semi-auto.

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The problem as I see it for a Federal carry act is the Dummocrats! Once there is a federal law, when the Dems have power, and they will have it again someday, is that they will pursue "common sense" restrictions that will then have effect in every state, and will pick at certain small reasons for restrictions. This is similar to "assault rifle", over 10 round mags, "gun free zones" and the like. Their method is if they can't get all guns banned, then just keep picking at the low hanging fruit, until the entire tree is gone. They WILL use that tactic on a federal level against the carry law.
For me, I will not go to, or spend any "mail order cash in any state that limits my 2nd amendment rights. I moved from Illinois to AZ because of the gun laws, and I thoroughly check my online and catalogue purchases to buy from 2nd amendment friendly states. Sometimes I can't purchase the brand of item I want, but I do my best to uphold my principals. I make my travel plans around avoiding the "Blue" states, because I won't buy fuel or food there.
I hope in my small way, I am helping those states go bankrupt so they won't be giving my tax dollars to support illegals and welfare cheats. I can't accomplish much by myself, but I try to influence others when possible, like on here. Just some food for thought for all. TIMINATOR
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The problem as I see it for a Federal carry act is the Dummocrats! Once there is a federal law, when the Dems have power, and they will have it again someday, is that they will pursue "common sense" restrictions that will then have effect in every state, and will pick at certain small reasons for restrictions. This is similar to "assault rifle", over 10 round mags, "gun free zones" and the like. Their method is if they can't get all guns banned, then just keep picking at the low hanging fruit, until the entire tree is gone. They WILL use that tactic on a federal level against the carry law.
For me, I will not go to, or spend any "mail order cash in any state that limits my 2nd amendment rights. I moved from Illinois to AZ because of the gun laws, and I thoroughly check my online and catalogue purchases to buy from 2nd amendment friendly states. Sometimes I can't purchase the brand of item I want, but I do my best to uphold my principals. I make my travel plans around avoiding the "Blue" states, because I won't buy fuel or food there.
I hope in my small way, I am helping those states go bankrupt so they won't be giving my tax dollars to support illegals and welfare cheats. I can't accomplish much by myself, but I try to influence others when possible, like on here. Just some food for thought for all. TIMINATOR
Actually, I think if we have create a law recognizing national reciprocity for concealed carry similar to the issuance of driving licenses under the rationale of full faith and credit of each state, then each state sets its own criteria outside of national control. If it is further stated that this is merely codifying the prevailing view of the 2nd Amendment as an individual right, it would be harder to undermine and the two would bolster each other for the future.
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Anybody can hit a full size human paper target that's 7 yards away...

While holding the gun sideways???
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The Constitutional Carry Law passed in NH.
Done deal.

http://www.concordmonitor.com/sununu...y-bill-8252381
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