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Old 01-24-2013, 05:57 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Are you Americans allowed Full automatic assault rifles?

To me an assault rifle is a Ak47, scar, gali, famas, etc.. Military weapons..
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:39 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Are you Americans allowed Full automatic assault rifles?

To me an assault rifle is a Ak47, scar, gali, famas, etc.. Military weapons..
No. The average Joe cannot have a fully automatic weapon.
I agree. That is my definition of an assault rifle.
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:21 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Are you Americans allowed Full automatic assault rifles?

To me an assault rifle is a Ak47, scar, gali, famas, etc.. Military weapons..
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No. The average Joe cannot have a fully automatic weapon.
I agree. That is my definition of an assault rifle.
Ownership of fully automatic assault rifles varies state to state. Some states like Arizona, Idaho, and I believe Nevada (based on the fact that you can rent full autos and shoot them there) do allow for private ownership of registered fully automatic weapons. Washington state does allow ownership of full autos but the qualifying characteristics are nearly impossible to meet.

I do not see the need for ownership of fully automatic weapons but do not oppose it either as they are seldom used in the commission of crimes or mass shootings. I do not feel the need to impose my decision not to own one as the only acceptable alternative.

As to assault rifles, if the examples you use "Ak47, scar, gali, famas, etc.. Military weapons." are fully automatic capable I would agree with the term assault rifle. To apply the term to a semi automatic only rifle that has similar visual characteristics is not accurate in my opinion, they simply do not function the same (and yes I did read the article with an open mind). In fact the author of the article uses the same illustration I would offer with his use of the Ruger 10/22 under the his description of stock manipulation. In his illustration he shows a ruger 10/22 with a modern stock with a different style of hand grip and a box stock version. The function of both versions is identical, the appearance of the rifles is the primary difference. I have purchased guns I was interested in while allowing others exercise the same freedom. If you don't want one, don't buy one but don't try to force your opinion of appearance as preferable to my opinion of function. The second amendment has never been about citizens possessing arms for hunting and other uses, it is about the citizens being equipped to withstand efforts of a tyrannical government to suppress their freedoms.

I am concerned that the longer Sandy Hook plays out, the efforts of our present administration, gun control advocates and main stream media trying to capitalize on it as an opportunity to manipulate the details will become even more apparent. The news related to the role of the Bushmaster rifle at Sandy Hook is a good example in that initial reports ranged from it was found in the car to it was used at the school. This week reports are trickling in that the primary weapons used in the school were handguns and the rifle was in the car as initially reported. The only folks that know the truth for now are the survivors and initial responders and the public at large are content to make decisions based on mis-information spewed forth by the media.
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:07 PM   #19 (permalink)
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No. The average Joe cannot have a fully automatic weapon.
I agree. That is my definition of an assault rifle.
Actually the "average joe" can have a fully automatic firearm.

Any Full auto firearm on either a BATFE Form 3 or BATFE Form 4 that is transferable can be owned by ANYONE that can pass a thorough background check AND can fill out the paperwork correctly AND afford to buy one. It can take 6 months for the transfer to go through if all the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed. 1 mistake and they will kick it back and make you start all over.

The bottom line is if you are squeeky clean and get the paperwork correct, you can take possession of a full auto firearm.

Here are some examples of what the average joe can buy.

http://www.nfasales.com/machineguns.htm

http://firearmdeals.com/machineguns

http://www.impactguns.com/machine-guns.aspx

http://www.autoweapons.com/products/products.html
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Actually the "average joe" can have a fully automatic firearm.

Any Full auto firearm on either a BATFE Form 3 or BATFE Form 4 that is transferable can be owned by ANYONE that can pass a thorough background check AND can fill out the paperwork correctly AND afford to buy one. It can take 6 months for the transfer to go through if all the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed. 1 mistake and they will kick it back and make you start all over.

The bottom line is if you are squeeky clean and get the paperwork correct, you can take possession of a full auto firearm.

Here are some examples of what the average joe can buy.

http://www.nfasales.com/machineguns.htm

http://firearmdeals.com/machineguns

http://www.impactguns.com/machine-guns.aspx

http://www.autoweapons.com/products/products.html
And all this time I thought fully automatic was illegal. I've never tried to buy one.
Thanks for the heads up.
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Old 01-24-2013, 04:06 PM   #21 (permalink)
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why do civilians need assault rifles?.....i cant figure that out....my 7.62 mauser has 8 rounds and i think thats good for home protection.
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We have rifles that look like fully auto assault rifles in Canada, but they are semi auto and have a 6-8 round clip max I believe. I can't see nothing wrong with that.. Its a glorified hunting rifle.

Average joes doesn't need a full auto 30 round clip AK for protection...That's what I thought they were banning this whole time.
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I was told at my firearms exam that there is full auto prohibited weapons in Canada, you cant purchase them anymore, they were banned years ago.

But if say your Pops had one, he could give it to you"grandfather" and you will be eligible for a prohibited license if everything else checks out.
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why do civilians need assault rifles?.....i cant figure that out....my 7.62 mauser has 8 rounds and i think thats good for home protection.
The term assault rifle is misleading at best. If I attack you with a pen then I have and assault pen. If I don't attack you with a rifle then I don't have an assault rifle.

Why do civilians NEED any rifle? We don't NEED it. Just like I don't NEED chocolate cake however I like Chocolate cake and since I am a law abiding citizen why can't I have it? What I don't NEED is someone deciding for me what I like and NEED.

Why can't I like to just go out and have FUN?


300 people were shot last year with rifles. That includes hunting accidents and people shooting themselves because they aren't qualified to own and clean a gun properly. Idiots will be idiots no mater what.

If 300 people died in cars last year that would be a FANTASTIC year. If 300 died of the FLU last year that would be AMAZING. If 300 people died last year from SIDS, no one would even think twice about it. If 300 people died last year for anything else it would be considers a ridiculously low percentage of the American people that no one would even question it. 300 people is 1 in a MILLION. Is that a reason to ban rifles from LAW ABIDING CITIZENS? Becuase the laws will only effect the LAW ABIDING CITIZENS and will have ZERO effect on the criminals. Actually it will have a more profound effect on the criminals because they can be more certain that LESS people will be able to defend themselves.
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why do civilians need assault rifles?.....i cant figure that out....my 7.62 mauser has 8 rounds and i think thats good for home protection.
SERIOUSLY??? Have you NOT been paying attention???

The SECOND AMENDMENT was written so that WE THE PEOPLE have the ability to resist the efforts of a tyrannical government (should the need ever arise) to the BEST of our ability. That means that since the government has weapons with 30+ rd magazines, that WE should be allowed to have the same. And don't start with the whole "nukes, tanks, and RPGs" argument. While surplus tanks MAY be available to "civilians"...nukes and RPG's are not (that I'm aware of), and I'm NOT suggesting they should be. But the whole "why do civilians need that?" statement is IGNORANT at best. I suppose you'd be happy if we were reduced to 5-shot revolvers, yes?

Following your logic...why does anyone NEED a vehicle that will easily exceed the speed limit??? Do you not own anything that you don't really "NEED"???
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Well said Scott. There would be no USA if the citizens did not have guns equivalent to what the British government had.

The 2nd Amendment is so we can defend ourself against a tyrannical government.
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Controversy on assault rifles high capacity mags for hunting.
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They say there's no place for assault rifles with high capacity magazines for hunting. Joe Biden said "if you shoot 12 to 30 rounds at a deer and can't hit it you shouldn't have a gun" and "If you shoot 30 rds at a deer there won't be much left to eat" Well they seem to forget that you don't HAVE to fire all 30 rds at a deer! and you don't have to load 30 rds in a 30 rd clip! you can put 1rd-2rds-3rds 4 or -5-or 10rds in a 30 rd mag.
And theres more to hunt then deer! what about black bear were that 30 rds might come in handy? if wounded or with cubs a bear can be a killer in a quick hurry! Black bear kill more people in the U.S then any kind of bear!
The AK47- 7.62x39mm is a round that will bring down a black bear. Not my frist choice for hunting bear, but will do the job. Now the AR15 with the 223 rd I would not go bear hunting with. But bear of all kinds have fallen to this rd also.
And then we have Coyotes. I have seen 15-20 in a pack bring down cattle, deer, etc. now 30 rds would come in to play for 20 or more coyotes that are killing your cattle! Then we have Wolves, same thing but can kill you just as quick!
What about wild hogs? They have done more damage to farmers and ranchers and are taking over in record numbers all over the U.S. and can be very dangerous some being over 200 lbs with razor sharp tusks that can rip a man to pieces! 30 rds would be nice to have for this kind of hunting.
So you have just a few hunting situations where high capacity magazines and a fast shooting rifle would be a no brainer and a must in my book!
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YB, thanks for posting that link. I thoroughly enjoyed reading that analysis.

From my own experience, when I go out to prairie dog shoot, I have used my AR at times, just for fun. I was keenly aware of the perception of using black rifle for sport though. Typically I use a bolt or single shot rifle on p-pups for better long range accuracy. But, in my mind, there is nothing wrong with using a black rifle for varminting, where it makes sense.

What is being offered up for legislation by Feinstein is just plain stupid! Further reinforcing my belief of just how dumb some of our lawmakers are and why we are in so much trouble, financial and otherwise. Feinstein, Boxer and Pelosi combined together are an amazing combination and portray perfectly what the intellectually challenged are and would be the modern female version of the Three Stooges.
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Ok..calm down and pay attention!....All things equal...in a non tyrannical govt...the govt is in the position to be the right and correct article to restrict anarchy and keep the country from becoming a pile of sht like a bunch of....well you know what countries...you ride with billy the kid or the calvalry?
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