Rinehart CrossBack

[parador]

Thinking of these pipes when I go to 103" stage 2 on a FXDC. Any thoughts/comments please. Attracted by the crossbacks as they look a little different.

[hardluk1]

They cost to much and do not help performance. Buy something that works sence you spent good money for motor work. D&D,Supertrapp, Bassani, Thunderheader even Khrome Werks slipons on your stock headers will be much better than rienbubs. Riens are pretty but suck.

[FunkyNova66]

http://www.v-twinforum.com/forums/so...rossbones.html

[Foley]

That's right FunkyNova66 .............. I love em'

[vbagger]

I ride an 08 softail with the crossbacks and love the performance

[parador]

Not doubting your opinion Hardluk1 but what makes you say that the performance 'sucks'?

Thanks for the replies/photos keep them coming as the Reinharts are expensive and I want to be sure they are worth the money performance-wise.

[hardluk1]

They make good max hp like most pipes of that style and have seen them smoked on the dyno as every day pipes. Rienbubs have always fell short on midrange hp. But most would never know i guess. Gerald rienhart has been very good at marketing these with with BUBs. But before rienhart most would not run a bub exhaust. Some of there systems have been tested in a side by side in both american iron and cyle word i think and finished near the top in max hp but at the bottom as a every day exhaust system. An i have met him and talked to him systems about his exhaust and many do what he does ,some just better. BUt those are pretty pipes ,got to say that for him. Just don't exspect great things out of them. You stock headers with good slipons will make more tq and better hp on a stock or mild motor where most run. But they are pretty.

[Foley]

I can feel; a little diference. However, I installed the PCIII and everything myself - it was never dyno tuned. It runs great and sounds really good. They come with two sets of baffles - quiet and loud. The nice thing about these is you don't see them all over.

[sbeamer]

Don't take offense, but Other than tuning, none of us, ride on the dyno. It's ALL about looks and sound.

[Gypsy Rider]

Although I'm new to this site I can see there's really nothing new going on here. Same know it alls as every other sight. When someone tells you something sucks it usally means they don't have any documentation to back up ther claims. I'm in a position to have tried 6 different pipes on my 117 including Rhienharts, D&D's, Bassinis, Supertrapps and a few more. I have many many Dyno runs on the bike and can tell you in order to get a real fix on a pipe you need to see dyno runs on bikes with a similiar set up as yours. I can tell you for a fact the Rhienharts actually allowed slightly more torque on my bike then the D&D's. I prefer the D&D's on my set up because they spike less and are much quiter in normal riding however the overall numbers are almost identicle. Seat of the pants evaluations should be banned from this site especially when it comes to pipes since sound plays such a large part of speed perception. Yes it is true we don't ride on dyno's and I would say the overwhelming majority of people buy pipes based on looks and or sound. My suggestion again would be first to decide on what you want out of a pipe then see some dyno runs on similiar bikes. Unless there is a gross mismatch between the exhaust and everything that goes before it you would be surprised in how little difference in overall power there is between pipes.

[hardluk1]

Parador, The pipes your look'n at are another version of a drag pipe. They do look nice but none of them, know matter who makes them, make a good pipe for tq and hp where you ride everday.After you deside what you want to do with the motor, the power level you hope to make and where you want that power, the type of bike(fxdc) also do you ride to up all fit into the exhaust somewhat. With a stock motor then what yourun does not make a big difference but still makes some difference. You can kill a motor with the wrong exhaust on a built motor. Rienhart, as i said typical make good max power and almost always losses on the bottomend, where most ride. What gypsy rider missed was a motor that is tuned with the wrong exhaust can loss 8 to 10 lb of tq from 2600 to 3000 and that is a big amount when it comes to getting a bike rolling. You might make less power on top but be faster . When you deside what you expect of your ride contact someone that tunes bikes ,or dyno sheets , Don't worry so much about W.O.T. hp as much as where the tq rolls in and how long it stays high ,100lbtq is good if at 2000 rpm is good but not if at 2600 Being in the uk might hurt finding shops there. Try to contact someone like cyclerama, check there dyno pages and talk to them about what you want , they run many different exhaust through there shop and might give soom advise. If you don't expect a maxed out motor besure they know that. If you have a buddy that gets American Iron go through back issues by donny petterson-tech line, section and read what he say's about exhaust basic's That way you don't do like some dumd ass and by 6 different systems before finding your best overall. It is true that some of the cheapest stuff made makes great all over power too. If you don't go wild on your motor something like even cycle shack can make a very good exhaust. Most company's also have several pipe sizes and baffles that work with different motors and or power levels.

[parador]

I'm running a dyna super glide. I don't think the cross-backs are made for a dyna! Unless someone knows different...

Back to the drawing board I think.

[Gypsy Rider]

Besides repeating almost everything I said Hardluk implies that I bought six pair of pipes. I didn't. I have access to many parts and a dyno. I am passing on personal experience . Donny Smith is a bright, interesting reliable source of information but to my knowledge does not own a dyno or hasn't in the recent pass, at least I've never seen him write about it. That takes nothing away from his vast experience it just means he may not have the available information in a data bank to give you. I have seen many bikes with substantial performance parts perform like crap till they were tuned properly on a dyno. So how can you be sure your reading a part and not a tune? Seat of the pants? Gimme a break! The guy I use has over 10 years of dyno runs in the tank so he can give someone an educated guess on what to expect with a particular set up. He has also tested pipes for some manufacturers in order to give them some real world results. I would say unless your tuning for extremes ( HP or torque) most pipes will come very close to each other with the proper tune. You won't be sorry if you run Rhienharts.

[hardluk1]

Who is donny smith.