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Old 02-11-2017, 02:51 PM   #31 (permalink)
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still havnt gotten into cam chest yet but have received a lot of information when I do . still on my cylinder base gaskets cleaning every thing as I go.love this site. my reading has led me to a couple more questions .first is , after installing camshaft I need to check endplay between thrust washer and shaft. according to moco manual up to .050 is acceptable. what do yall shoot for? also ,according to moco endplay is adjusted with washers.but I see where washers were only used on 84-87 models and again on 98.since mine is a 88 would I still use a washer to get correct clearance?after yall clear this up for me I got some more questions.and no I haven't hung my Clymer in outhouse yet.
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Old 02-11-2017, 04:39 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Set it up at. 008-.014. I shoot for. 010-.012, toss the 050 number. That was the most reducing costs for a few years it didn't work out. Since all the parts are the same through all the years.
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Old 02-12-2017, 06:43 AM   #33 (permalink)
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do I use a washer to achieve said endplay. no washers are mentioned in manual for my year bike.according to manual it would be thrust washer ,washer then gear shaft. this was for 84-87 bikes.
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Old 02-12-2017, 08:18 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Use the selective washers to achieve the endplay... do the measurements per the manual, then substitute the figures of..001-.016 as acceptable clearance. I shoot for the numbers I posted above.. change the inner bearing to a Torrington B138 while you are in there...use the procedure of the older or newer service manuals, which should be the same, except for the spacer and end play specs... do you want your cam sliding back and fourth .050 while running? I don't...

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Old 02-12-2017, 11:20 AM   #35 (permalink)
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ok,cool. I did order a Torrington b138 although it arrived in a koyo box. I assume its the same . on another note, I just got my front cylinder torqued back down. I'm replacing all top end gaskets due to leaks.i removed the jug and piston as a whole . during the cleaning process the piston rotated in the jug a 1/4 to a 1/2 turn on occasion. did I screw up? I googled it and some say the rings will rotate back to wear position if they were compromised.
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Old 02-12-2017, 12:07 PM   #36 (permalink)
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I don't really have an answer...I always leave the piston on the rod, change the gasket and put it back together.

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Old 02-12-2017, 02:21 PM   #37 (permalink)
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a most excellent question. one I hadn't considered.first off I did order and use new retaining clips from jp cycles.but only on the end I removed.secondly,as far as the piston goes it was carboned up on top and during the cleaning I noticed the arrow. I had read earlier or dreamed it, that the arrow pointed to the front of bike. that's the way I put it.im going to take a xanex while I await your response.
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Old 02-12-2017, 03:51 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Just have the cylinders bored and honed,throw in some .010 in. over pistons and new rings in it.Problem solved with new slugs and bores to boot.
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ok,cool. I did order a Torrington b138 although it arrived in a koyo box. I assume its the same . on another note, I just got my front cylinder torqued back down. I'm replacing all top end gaskets due to leaks.i removed the jug and piston as a whole . during the cleaning process the piston rotated in the jug a 1/4 to a 1/2 turn on occasion. did I screw up? I googled it and some say the rings will rotate back to wear position if they were compromised.
You are fine. Koyo bought Timken a while ago. Also a lot of guys remove the jug and piston together so that the rings don't spring out and risk breaking, others are just careful with removal. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. The piston likely rotated inside the rings since friction would have held the rings to the bore.

The new snap ring is a very good idea, I have see where the old ones popped out after reuse and it gets spendy.
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Old 02-13-2017, 02:17 AM   #40 (permalink)
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Cleaning pistons while still in the cylinders can be detrimental to engine longevity... I have seen the results of a similar procedure on a harley shovelhead and a GM 2.3L sohc engine both resulted in engine damage..
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Old 02-13-2017, 04:46 AM   #41 (permalink)
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yeah, on the subject of cleaning piston while in the bore I wish I hadn't done that.would it be ok to unbolt and remove that cylinder remove piston clean it good reinstall piston and use same gasket?its a james gasket on head and base. the mls coated kind.i just put it on 2 days ago.
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Old 02-13-2017, 09:45 AM   #42 (permalink)
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It would probably be ok to reuse the gaskets, since it hasn't been started,, just be careful when pulling the cylinder so as not to tear or damage the gasket surfaces. You should remove the rings and clean the grooves and rings as well.
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Old 02-13-2017, 02:19 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I will definitely clean . If I decide to just hone and replace rings,what size hone do I go for? I'm looking at the ball hones. What size rings? How do you know when enough has been removed?is it best to let a shop do it? Do they hone it then fit the proper rings in it?
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