Sent in a sample of Mobil 1 15-50

[vindex1963]

I sent a sample today with just over 5,000 miles on it. I'm also having a TBN done as suggested by others. I use Blackstone and like them. I was curious with this change because of the excessive heat this oil has gone through. 270+* and sometimes pegging 300* for hours on end before I added the Fuel Pak, pipes and air cleaner. I'll post it when it's done. This oil has seen heat very few in the country will see.
This is my 20,000 mile service so the bike is broken in.

[Night King]

Cool, please keep us posted!
Will be interesting to see, may put a little pressure (sorry) on the Mobil V-Twin 20/50...

Which 15W-50 are you using, motorcycle or car?

[vindex1963]

Originally Posted by Night King

Cool, please keep us posted!
Will be interesting to see, may put a little pressure (sorry) on the Mobil V-Twin 20/50...

Which 15W-50 are you using, motorcycle or car?

Car. I don't know of a 15-50 motorcycle. I did a test on 15-50 from my 04 Softail Standard and the report was good but it didn't run nearly as hot as the Ultra.

[xtractor]

Even though your TBN can be within "exceptable limits" , that does not mean your oil is still providing maxium engine protection from the negitive effects of acid in your oil, particularly when heat is part of the equation.

It would be interesting to see a TAN analysis for hydrochloric and other acids completed on your oil, particularly if you have been using any ethanol fuel. Some acids, even low in parts per volume can still be corrosive to engine components, regardless of your tbn.

(source; oil check laboratory services, OCLS)

[vindex1963]

Originally Posted by xtractor

Even though your TBN can be within "exceptable limits" , that does not mean your oil is still providing maxium engine protection from the negitive effects of acid in your oil, particularly when heat is part of the equation.

It would be interesting to see a TAN analysis for hydrochloric and other acids completed on your oil, particularly if you have been using any ethanol fuel. Some acids, even low in parts per volume can still be corrosive to engine components, regardless of your tbn.

(source; oil check laboratory services, OCLS)

Wouldn't that be the case with any oil? not just Mobil 1 15-50? If it is high what can I do about it? I think ethanol is everywhere in Arizona. I'm wanting to see the break down of this sample and the effect the extreme heat had on it.

[Night King]

Originally Posted by vindex1963

Car. I don't know of a 15-50 motorcycle.

This is what we get here... in the states it´s a 10W40.
We don´t seem to have the car version here.

[xtractor]

According to OCLS " In synthetic turbo oils, hydrolysis (a chemical reaction involving water) can also cause an increase in TAN, especially when oil is subject to heat "

From my reading, the effects of alcohol in ethanol fuel can introduce acidic contamants (inter alia acids) although low in parts by volume in a tbn test, can still have caustic effects to engine components and engine condensation.

[vindex1963]

Originally Posted by Night King

This is what we get here... in the states it´s a 10W40.
We don´t seem to have the car version here.

That's what I use in my primary.

[ultraplusrotax]

Originally Posted by Night King

This is what we get here... in the states it´s a 10W40.
We don´t seem to have the car version here.

I cannot read your "attached images", so I guess it's about a multigrade Mobil -oil; that oil isn't capable of the high-speed German Autobahn during summer!
Image, American readers, that some parts of the German highways allow unlimited speed . Coming back from the European bike Week in Austria I saw 180 (km) on the speedo = 112,5 mph, two-up, heavily loaded the Ultra 2004 ( std, no changes at all) seemed to be able that hold speed without limit.
From Reutte to Ulm, Frankfurt that was, maybe slightly going down?
Anyway, high-speed riding isn't the big-problem. City-riding, low speed-driving is the problem, that is when excessive oil-temperature could cause damage to the engine.
A simple oil-cooler doesn't cool when standing at the traffic-light!
But add a ventilator to that oil-cooler and solve the problem:
http://bigskyfan.tripod.com/
As is written in all owners manuels of thermal engines, " in extreme heat and short distance riding replace oil more frequently."
I am looking for Mobil Twin, never saw it in Belgium.

[ponderopa]

Making sureI got this right: '04 Ultra 2 up steady cruising at 112.5 mph?

[nightrob]

Originally Posted by ponderopa

Making sureI got this right: '04 Ultra 2 up steady cruising at 112.5 mph?

Down hill with a tail wind...

[vindex1963]

Originally Posted by ponderopa

Making sureI got this right: '04 Ultra 2 up steady cruising at 112.5 mph?

Amazing huh???

Originally Posted by ultraplusrotax

I cannot read your "attached images", so I guess it's about a multigrade Mobil -oil; that oil isn't capable of the high-speed German Autobahn during summer!
Image, American readers, that some parts of the German highways allow unlimited speed . Coming back from the European bike Week in Austria I saw 180 (km) on the speedo = 112,5 mph, two-up, heavily loaded the Ultra 2004 ( std, no changes at all) seemed to be able that hold speed without limit.
From Reutte to Ulm, Frankfurt that was, maybe slightly going down?
Anyway, high-speed riding isn't the big-problem. City-riding, low speed-driving is the problem, that is when excessive oil-temperature could cause damage to the engine.
A simple oil-cooler doesn't cool when standing at the traffic-light!
But add a ventilator to that oil-cooler and solve the problem:
http://bigskyfan.tripod.com/
As is written in all owners manuels of thermal engines, " in extreme heat and short distance riding replace oil more frequently."
I am looking for Mobil Twin, never saw it in Belgium.

Actually mine would get the hottest at 75mph 2-up. I think with all the air being pushed the bike makes more heat than can be removed.

[Night King]

Originally Posted by ultraplusrotax

I cannot read your "attached images", so I guess it's about a multigrade Mobil -oil; that oil isn't capable of the high-speed German Autobahn during summer!
Image, American readers, that some parts of the German highways allow unlimited speed . Coming back from the European bike Week in Austria I saw 180 (km) on the speedo = 112,5 mph, two-up, heavily loaded the Ultra 2004 ( std, no changes at all) seemed to be able that hold speed without limit.
From Reutte to Ulm, Frankfurt that was, maybe slightly going down?
Anyway, high-speed riding isn't the big-problem. City-riding, low speed-driving is the problem, that is when excessive oil-temperature could cause damage to the engine.
A simple oil-cooler doesn't cool when standing at the traffic-light!
But add a ventilator to that oil-cooler and solve the problem:
http://bigskyfan.tripod.com/
As is written in all owners manuels of thermal engines, " in extreme heat and short distance riding replace oil more frequently."
I am looking for Mobil Twin, never saw it in Belgium.

Oh sorry mate, it´s Mobil 1 Racing 4T 15W-50 for motorcycles.
Costs here in Germany about €11.50 you should be able to find it in Flanders Fields!

I may even try it myself or change to a Diesel/Dino oil, I´m really not sure at the moment.
I´m using Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W50 and I get it here:

http://www.trollstore.de/epages/6212...ucts/ss31-4202

...but it´s €19.90 per quart!

Yes it´s pretty cool here on the Autobahns, most places you can indeed drive/ride as fast as you want. But you also have to know how to handle your vehicle at these speeds, if you´re new to it, it can be pretty frightening the first few times, I´ve been here since 1979. I quite often have my cruise control on my FLHR, set at max. about 85mph. But I´ll cruise at higher speeds if it´s not too windy. Normally I´m at about 80mph. That´s my speed.

Gruß aus Duitsland!
mike

[ultraplusrotax]

Originally Posted by nightrob

Down hill with a tail wind...

I mentioned:
" From Reutte to Ulm, Frankfurt that was, maybe slightly going down? "
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Not really downhill.From Kempten to Karlsruhe is 250 km = 156 miles,flat highway, nowhere in the world you will find a highway downhill that long. German cars are electronically mimited to 240 k/h = 150 mph. Seeing 180 on the speedo = 112,5 mph, probably 10% optimistic, real speed 101,25 mph: at that speed Porsches, BMWs, Mercedes and Audis are overtaking you all the time. Letting them through in the 3rd lane, I sometimes had to slow down, but Ultra gained speed again, showing 180 time after time.
I traded it in at 97712 km = 61070 miles, no oil comsumption.
I hope the 2010 Ultra will give me the same satisfaction, but I doubt.
Sorry to the TS .

[ultraplusrotax]

Originally Posted by Night King

Oh sorry mate, it´s Mobil 1 Racing 4T 15W-50 for motorcycles.mike

Ok, since I cannot read your "attached images " I saw this in your comment #6: " This is what we get here... in the states it´s a 10W40.
We don´t seem to have the car version here."
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Still looking for that Mobil V-Twin oil in Flanders Fields.