Oil filter

[Dan89FLSTC]

The correct way to clean these filters is untrasonic. I guess they would be fine if you like making an oil change more complicated, but I would rather spin on a new filter and be done with it.

I have been a jet engine mechanic for 35 years, when I first started out we used cleanable filters, but not now, they just get thrown away and a new one goes in.

[george douglas]

Originally Posted by Mtclassic

motorcycle ones have a bypass as well, it is just a ball bearing spring set up. The owner and engineer of K&P told me they were the same filters. I met him in Sturgis. I suppose he could have been pulling my leg, but no reason to as I had already had my filter for several months and told him so at the start of our conversation. I should have results back from Blackstone with in a week or so. What should I be looking for as far as the analysis goes?

You want to look at the Silicon mainly and soot and solids to a lesser degree. Also you would want to look at the wear metals to make sure they are not elevated over normal averages for the same type motor. If Silicon raises then your wear metals would generally follow.
george

[Mtclassic]

sent sample on Monday and got results today.
Looks like filter and the oil are doing their jobs.

[george douglas]

Originally Posted by Mtclassic

sent sample on Monday and got results today.
Looks like filter and the oil are doing their jobs.

Ask Blackstone why the sodium is so high. It could be part of the additive package and it also can come from the environment you ride in. Your wear metals are basically wearing at a normal level for the miles on your bike, as most wear occurs during the first 10,000 miles and then levels off at a very low rate for the rest of it's life until something decides to come apart. Your TBN is nothing to brag about for the low miles you have on that oil and ususally when TBN gets down to 2 or 3 you don't have a lot of protection left to fight acid buildup. I don't agree with Blackstone on letting TBN get down to 1, as at that point your oil is getting ready to turn acidic. TBN is really not important unless you are extending the oil service past OEM recommendations.
george

[Gary7]

Originally Posted by george douglas

Ask Blackstone why the sodium is so high. It could be part of the additive package and it also can come from the environment you ride in. Your wear metals are basically wearing at a normal level for the miles on your bike, as most wear occurs during the first 10,000 miles and then levels off at a very low rate for the rest of it's life until something decides to come apart. Your TBN is nothing to brag about for the low miles you have on that oil and ususally when TBN gets down to 2 or 3 you don't have a lot of protection left to fight acid buildup. I don't agree with Blackstone on letting TBN get down to 1, as at that point your oil is getting ready to turn acidic. TBN is really not important unless you are extending the oil service past OEM recommendations.
george

I agree completely about not letting TBN drop to 1. The problem is that TBN depletion is not linear and once you start getting below 2, the TBN can literally crash leaving you running oil with no protection against combustion byproducts in the crankcase. This is the main reason that people who are serious about running extended drains (like long-haul truckers) sample the oil at fixed intervals to test mainly for TBN depletion.

[Mtclassic]

I have no intention of running it that long. It is inexpensive oil and I think for the money it is pretty good. Not much diff than the Mobil 1 20-50 vtwin that had tbn of 5.8. Course this was supposed to be about the filter and I think with the low silicon and wear metals it must be doing its job.

[Mtclassic]

I emailed Valvoline last night and this is the response I got.

Sodium is an additive that Valvoline uses in our formulation for most of our motor oils. A high number of Sodium is normal for Valvoline motor oil products.

>>>> From: jadmt
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 10:42:02 PM
>>>> To: valvtechline@ashland.com
>>>> CC:
>>>> Subject: Valvoline.com New User Registration
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>>>> First Name: Jeff
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>>>> Hi, I use VR1 sae 50 and I had an oil analysis done and it came back
>>>> with a high sodium content. The number was 369. Is this normal for
>>>> VR1 50? all other numbers came back what I expected they would.
>>>> thanks jeff

I also emailed blackstone and they told me that was a normal number for VR1 50

[george douglas]

Originally Posted by Mtclassic

I emailed Valvoline last night and this is the response I got.

Sodium is an additive that Valvoline uses in our formulation for most of our motor oils. A high number of Sodium is normal for Valvoline motor oil products.

>>>> From: jadmt
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 10:42:02 PM
>>>> To: valvtechline@ashland.com
>>>> CC:
>>>> Subject: Valvoline.com New User Registration
>>>>
>>>> First Name: Jeff
>>>> Last Name:
>>>> Address:
>>>> City:
>>>> State: 0
>>>> Zip:
>>>> Email: [email]jadmt
>>>> feedback type: I have a question/comment about a product
>>>>
>>>> Comments:
>>>>
>>>> Hi, I use VR1 sae 50 and I had an oil analysis done and it came back
>>>> with a high sodium content. The number was 369. Is this normal for
>>>> VR1 50? all other numbers came back what I expected they would.
>>>> thanks jeff

I also emailed blackstone and they told me that was a normal number for VR1 50

Thanks for checking on it. Blackstone uses those universal averages on their reports and in your case they had no bearing on the Valvoline additive package. Your filter does appear to be working for your type of riding and environment. I don't know what type of filters you used a few years ago on those older reports, but everything seems to be the same that a filter has any bearing on. This is why oil analysis is a good tool for checking out changes such as your filter installation.
george

[battchief713]

Does this mean the filter works as well as a paper filter?

[george douglas]

Originally Posted by battchief713

Does this mean the filter works as well as a paper filter?

It may and might even be better, but comparing samples nearly two years ago to the same machine without having the knowledge of the riding environment could be mis-leading. The sample does prove that he is certainly not hurting anything with what he is presently doing. What we don't know is how this filter would work in a rough dusty riding environment. In a clean riding environment oil filters are just going along for the ride.
george

[Mtclassic]

Originally Posted by george douglas

It may and might even be better, but comparing samples nearly two years ago to the same machine without having the knowledge of the riding environment could be mis-leading. The sample does prove that he is certainly not hurting anything with what he is presently doing. What we don't know is how this filter would work in a rough dusty riding environment. In a clean riding environment oil filters are just going along for the ride.
george

I live in Montana and a lot of roads are still not paved. I bought the bike new and I have ridden the same roads from mile 1. I live in the same house and do the same rides. nothing has changed as far as enviroment. Ths summer I traveled a section of road that was under construction all summer and dusty as all get out.

[george douglas]

Originally Posted by Mtclassic

I live in Montana and a lot of roads are still not paved. I bought the bike new and I have ridden the same roads from mile 1. I live in the same house and do the same rides. nothing has changed as far as enviroment. Ths summer I traveled a section of road that was under construction all summer and dusty as all get out.

This proves that your air filter is doing a great job and you can be confident that your oil filter is also.
george

[Mtclassic]

Originally Posted by george douglas

This proves that our air filter is doing a great job and you can be confident that your oil filter is also.
george

well funny thing is I have not run the amsoil air filter as I went with a doherty set up and sold the amsoil filter with the SE backing plate on this site a year or two ago. But evidently the doherty air filter is doing good too LOL.
http://www.v-twinforum.com/forums/sa...eaner-kit.html

[george douglas]

Originally Posted by Mtclassic

well funny thing is I have not run the amsoil air filter as I went with a doherty set up and sold the amsoil filter with the SE backing plate on this site a year or two ago. But evidently the doherty air filter is doing good too LOL.
http://www.v-twinforum.com/forums/sa...eaner-kit.html

Sorry about the typo as I didn't mean you were using the Amsoil air filter. I left the y off of our. I have sold very few air filters to the harley market mostly due to the fact that harley and after market companies have dominated in installing the K&N element in most of them. I have sold air filters to a few bikers that want to steer away from wet gauzed filters like the K&N for example and are more interested in better filtration. Your system of air and oil filtration is doing a good job.
george

[RVROD]

If anyone is interested in the K&P Engineering Filter please PM me.

Thanks,
Kev