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JDK20723 · 11-27-2006, 10:13 PM

No problem with the security system. The issue is with the compression releases on the 2007 110 CVOs. They require a driver in the ECM to run them, and the bike it was initially tried on had both; the seccurity system was mistakenly thought to be the problem.

There is a circuit board revision in the works now that will address the compression releases, will be ready after the first of the year. In the meantime, disconnecting the releases allows the ThunderMax to work fine on the CVO 110s, and the bike starts fine. Already made some 110 maps for 110 with stock mufflers, HP+ mufflers, Fat Cat 2:1 system. Rinehart TD is next. JK

mori55 · 11-27-2006, 10:22 PM

Any of you who have installed this on a softail could you show me,tell me hoe you routed the wires so you can't see the connectors. It's like i have no room to the plug in connectors . I have zip tied by the coil box for now, but you can see them. If i try to put them under the seat i can't get my seat dowm enough to bolt it on.
Also did you guys have a manual on the install disc? I don't have one just auto tune install manual. There's no help manual or anything like that.

hjdistl · 11-27-2006, 10:59 PM

Morri,
The only other manual I have is the SMartLinkIV manual. You can get a copy of it at this site.

http://thunder-max.com/Support/FuelI...tructions.aspx

HarleyDudeATL · 12-03-2006, 07:23 PM

JDK,

I'm looking at getting either your system, or the DTT. What are the advantages of your system over the DTT?

Thank you.

JDK20723 · 12-03-2006, 09:30 PM

I don't have much knowledge of their system, so can't really comment on theirs, other than both are Alpha-N systems with dual wide-band oxygen sensors providing feedback for full-time closed loop fuel corrections.

When Zipper's first decided an EFI management system would be needed to be able to continue selling our engine kits as an all-inclusive package, we looked at their system and decided to go in a different direction. Since then we partnered with Thunder Heart to develop the ThunderMax. Initially, the system was sold for over 3 years as an 'open loop' system.

We set out to develop a base map library that would us to provide pre-mapped units with our engine kits. At the same time we made maps for lots of other applications while the closed loop system was being perfected. Now, with the addition of the AutoTune module and oxygen sensors and our growing library of base maps, getting a system on most bikes and ready to ride is an easy couple of hours of work, and can be done without a dyno. By choosing and installing the base map that is closest to your build, you have the advantage of having a map that already has timing curves built, warm-up maps done, etc (but still editable by the user). Tricky processes like adjusting the IAC stops are handled automatically by the module's firmware and software during initial set-up and while the bike is ridden. Fuel is adjusted or corrected by just riding the bike. You can control the AFR by either choosing an overall AFR target or by setting the AFR on individual map pages (64 adjustable points every 256 rpm) if you want to target specific ranges for best power or fuel mileage.

Software, firmware and map updates are free (with an internet connection) so once you buy the system, you'll always be able to keep it up to date with new features that become available. The system also has monitoring functions, rpm and engine temperature logging, and a diagnostics page that checks the systems and sensors.

But I really feel the advantage is in the maps. These are highly refined maps developed by Zipper's for lots of different applications. The software allows a range of fuel and ignition adjustments (two levels of software are available; 'Basic' that is supplied with every module, and 'Advanced' which is a dealer-based version that allows more tuning lattitude for experienced tuner equipped with the tools to use it). Between the maps and the flexibility of the software, there's not much that can't be done with it.

I'd say the best way for you to make your evaluation is to download the instructions for both systems and see which you feel would be the easiest for you to use. I hope this helps. Thanks, JK

Streetglider 07 · 12-08-2006, 07:05 PM

so here might be a dumb question, does the auto tune module work with
the factory ecm and sert on an 2007, or does it also need the thunder max
ecm to work with it?

mori55 · 12-08-2006, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Streetglider 07

so here might be a dumb question, does the auto tune module work with
the factory ecm and sert on an 2007, or does it also need the thunder max
ecm to work with it?

It's a complete system not a add on.

Streetglider 07 · 12-08-2006, 09:07 PM

Thanks for the reply,
I see on there web site it is listed for $399.00. But do you still need to
buy the thunder max ecm or can I use my OEM ecm with sert?
It says plug and play with factory diagnostic plug so I assume that
I wont need to shell out the money for the thunder max ecm also?

JDK20723 can you help with correct answer please.

JDK20723 · 12-08-2006, 10:16 PM

It only works with the ThunderMax, so yes, you'll need both. Bolts on/plugs into 2006 FXD's and all 2007's with the factory exhaust system that has oxygen sensor bungs. If your bike is earlier, just have someone weld in some bungs (20 bucks for bungs) and it's a bolt-on. It will be the last money you'll need to spend there! JK

mori55 · 12-09-2006, 08:08 AM

Didn't i just say the same thing? Complete system not a ADD ON. The auto tune module plugs into the diagnostic plug

GPO03FatBoy · 12-09-2006, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mori55

Didn't i just say the same thing? Complete system not a ADD ON. The auto tune module plugs into the diagnostic plug

Come on Mori - what do you know? I mean, you just researched and bought the thing, went through the install, and use it.....

2006SGFDXI · 12-18-2006, 05:00 PM

Has anyone had a problem with the speedo calibration and the TSSM on the ThunderMax?

Paniolo · 12-18-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 2006SGFDXI

Has anyone had a problem with the speedo calibration and the TSSM on the ThunderMax?

Yes, and they are working on it. Right now my self cancelling turn signals no longer self cancel.

2006SGFDXI · 12-18-2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Paniolo

Yes, and they are working on it. Right now my self cancelling turn signals no longer self cancel.

I do like the way the scooter runs but I'm not that good at judging speeds, my turn signals also don't work which is no big deal but I guess I'll give them a call.
I was hoping it would be something simple, I already checked the to make sure the basic settings were correct and they are.

thanks

mori55 · 12-18-2006, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 2006SGFDXI

I do like the way the scooter runs but I'm not that good at judging speeds, my turn signals also don't work which is no big deal but I guess I'll give them a call.
I was hoping it would be something simple, I already checked the to make sure the basic settings were correct and they are.

thanks

I haven't had any problems with turn signals or anything else. Did you put the right speedo calibration # in?
I would call them right away, and get them to fix it or send another ecm out.