TTS Mastertune

[Steve Cole]

If you have a SERT and have tuned the bike then you purchase our product and tune the bike you can use your old SERT file as long as it is a .mt6 file or you can tune it with one of our new files that are .mt7. The VE information is the same between our product and the SERT but that does not mean we used all the same setup points as they did. So you need to check before you just copy and paste and assume the breakpoints are all the same as they maynot be.

[BVBOB]

Originally Posted by Steve Cole

If you have a SERT and have tuned the bike then you purchase our product and tune the bike you can use your old SERT file as long as it is a .mt6 file or you can tune it with one of our new files that are .mt7. The VE information is the same between our product and the SERT but that does not mean we used all the same setup points as they did. So you need to check before you just copy and paste and assume the breakpoints are all the same as they maynot be.

Steve, if you would, elaborate on the "breakpoints" by this I assume you mean the change in the area of the tables that the ecm is reading by rpm,tp, load, etc?

[Steve Cole]

The files we created for the .MT7 format use the breakpoints we felt worked best when we tuned. HD did what they did and not all the points are the same between them. So you just need to be careful when you copy and paste from an old file to a new file. Not really a big deal but something you need to know. These are things you cannot change in the map but we can and do as necessary.

[Steve Cole]

We have received a few phone calls about the cables on the market so I thought I would clear them up here.
The cables that came with a SERT tuner kit or the cables that were sold separately (32108-06) for the SERT work perfectly with our new product.

The new SEST cable kit(32184-08) can be used but you will need to get a serial port cable from Office depot, Staples or any other office supply store. The cable that goes from the interface to the bike is the same in both kits.

[nw_guy4_fun]

Steve
Got the 06 Streetglide loaded with a closed loop map or should I say we tried a few both 06 Dyna and 07 Touring. No issues. Now we will hook up the sensors and see if it works.

[cts1950]

Originally Posted by nw_guy4_fun

Steve
Got the 06 Streetglide loaded with a closed loop map or should I say we tried a few both 06 Dyna and 07 Touring. No issues. Now we will hook up the sensors and see if it works.

I was asking Mike Stegman about upgrading my ecm. It is a 02 model. He thought that using the digital technician they could put in a sn of a later bike so that the closed loop function could be turned on. The problem would be once that happened my sert would no longer work because of the change in the sn. Is this info true about turning on the new features on a older ecm replacing the sert would be acceptable in that case. But if one wanted the closed loop the cost of a new ecm and new tuning hardware would be quite a penalty.

[nw_guy4_fun]

Originally Posted by cts1950

I was asking Mike Stegman about upgrading my ecm. It is a 02 model. He thought that using the digital technician they could put in a sn of a later bike so that the closed loop function could be turned on. The problem would be once that happened my sert would no longer work because of the change in the sn. Is this info true about turning on the new features on a older ecm replacing the sert would be acceptable in that case. But if one wanted the closed loop the cost of a new ecm and new tuning hardware would be quite a penalty.

The service replacement ECU for 04 and up is the same and not the one for an 02. I can think of a lot of reasons just an ecu change would not make this happen for an 02. The bike has very different circutry and no serial data bus. Maybe Mike knows something more and can elaborate.
Our 06 took the 06 Dyna map and the 07 Touring map with the current SN, no change. Project is not complete so can't claim victory yet.

[Shorty9148]

I am trying to answer the questions.

What features does the TTS Master Tune have that the TechnoResearch Direct-Link Race Performance does not have ?

Is TTS master Tune one stand alone program, and then Datamaster and VTune other programs that you have to buy ?

[cts1950]

Originally Posted by nw_guy4_fun

The service replacement ECU for 04 and up is the same and not the one for an 02. I can think of a lot of reasons just an ecu change would not make this happen for an 02. The bike has very different circutry and no serial data bus. Maybe Mike knows something more and can elaborate.
Our 06 took the 06 Dyna map and the 07 Touring map with the current SN, no change. Project is not complete so can't claim victory yet.

I should say my bike is a bit of a hybred
It started life as a 1999 classic. It has little of the 99 parts on it any more. the frame the trans case and the engine case. It currently has a 07 ultra wire harness gauges radio 50mm se throttle body 103 cid se 6 speed. I have to admit I haven't tried the stock 02 delfi ecm since all the changes I have been using a dtt ecm and wego system which will work with all delfi systems it claims to use the data buss. The speedo registers any codes and 6th gear.

[cts1950]

Originally Posted by nw_guy4_fun

The service replacement ECU for 04 and up is the same and not the one for an 02. I can think of a lot of reasons just an ecu change would not make this happen for an 02. The bike has very different circutry and no serial data bus. Maybe Mike knows something more and can elaborate.
Our 06 took the 06 Dyna map and the 07 Touring map with the current SN, no change. Project is not complete so can't claim victory yet.

Well
you were right. I just tried to use the delfi ecm with the current config. the engine starts and runs but the speedo reads 10 mph while sitting still. The earlier system used the tsm for the speedo info. Looking at the sert info that ecm would take mt5 files not mt6. The data sheet showed the mt 5 up to 04 and the mt6 05 and up

[Steve Cole]

There is a large difference in the pre 2004 Delphi bikes. The later bikes all use a common set of hardware in the ECM so if you have it setup as an '07 use any '07 code to match your combination and it should be good to go. The ECM has been revised most eavery year but you can use the 2009 throttle cable ECM in a 2004 throttle cable setup with no issues. DBW is another case.

When you buy Mastertune it comes with DataMaster, VTune and the TTS Updater software as part of the kit. As far a what Technoresearch allows you to do I cannot answer. Do they have Auto Tune? What tables do you get to adjust in there package? What all software does it come with and what are there functions?

[Shorty9148]

The TechnoResearch Direct-Link Race Performance software Interfaces with Wideband Oxygen Sensor Controllers such as the LC 1 and others. This provdes the auto tune feature. I have read 100 hours of posts on this subject of "ECU remapping" it is funny to read what most have to say. To sum it up I read that a lot of people do not understand what it takes to program a ECU. Yes I said program...cus that is what you are doing.
people what 1001 features but want the damn thing to program itself. I started looking at the TechnoResearch Direct-Link Race Performance software cus it was able to do what I needed and followed the K I S S rule. Now that i am reading a understanding the TTS it looks like some thing that I need to look at better. Thanks to Steve and all of you for your answers.

[Steve Cole]

When you tie in the Wide Band does it rewrite the Calibration automatically? V-Tune takes the Vtune data collected in DataMaster and makes you a new calibration file automatically. All you need to do is feed it the calibration you have started with and the Vtune data collected then hit the "Generate Tune" button. It must be a factory O2 equipped bike to work. I guess I need to go find out what the others have to see what we need to compare to but right now I just do not have the time.

[Shorty9148]

Originally Posted by Steve Cole

When you tie in the Wide Band does it rewrite the Calibration automatically? V-Tune takes the Vtune data collected in DataMaster and makes you a new calibration file automatically. All you need to do is feed it the calibration you have started with and the Vtune data collected then hit the "Generate Tune" button. It must be a factory O2 equipped bike to work. I guess I need to go find out what the others have to see what we need to compare to but right now I just do not have the time.

I work in the automotive world of controller testing and validation. So this stuff is not that new to me. If I wanted to I can go buy the same software that OEM use. At a cost of about $5000.00 bucks. No need to. With the change to closed loop systems on our bikes we now have a better, faster, and less costly way of making our bikes run the way we what them to. When I started looking at the ECU software, the Direct Tune one that I was looking at. ( I hated Harley stuff and never looked at SERT.)
Now that I have read and asked questions the TTS has first place for features and will be what I buy.

[r440]

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