Screamin' Eagle SUPER Race Tuner discussion

[ViennaHog]

Originally Posted by Boomshaw

So... I have the new SUPER tuner. I install the software and ask it to update. It does. Then I mate it to my bike. Or at least it says that there is communication path open with the ECM. I try to install a map and it fails saying that the ECM is not compatible with my software. I look at the software info and sure enough, my ECM part number is not shown. So I try to update the software again and now it won't let me download any updates. What gives? Is this thing just a POS? I thought that it would be backward compatible to a 2006 stock Fatboy. Where do you go to voice a complaint or look for a solution? Is this happening to anyone else?

Check in the calibration description list for a matching cal # and load that manually. Check if the VIN is correctly displayed. If the wrong VIN number is stored in the ECM, you may get the conflict you described.
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[boja53]

Hello, i'm riding a 2007 springer in original configuration. My dealer is trying to convince me to let him built in the race tuner. Reading this thread I'm almost convinced to buy a super tuner and install it myself. Or do I need to go to the dealer anyway to tune? thanks for help. Jan.

[Boomshaw]

Originally Posted by boja53

Hello, i'm riding a 2007 springer in original configuration. My dealer is trying to convince me to let him built in the race tuner. Reading this thread I'm almost convinced to buy a super tuner and install it myself. Or do I need to go to the dealer anyway to tune? thanks for help. Jan.

First of all, if you are in the "original" configuration (no new air cleaner, no new pipe) then you would gain little by installing the tuner in my opinion. You could clean up how the bike runs, and it would run better, but probably not better enough to justify the cost of the tuner and having the bike tuned on a dyno. You can't even just run off the canned maps because they begin with at the least an air cleaner change.

Second, there is no reason to pay the stealer to install the tuner. Just read the instructions, stop if you don't understand something and post if you run into trouble. Someone almost always will help you through it.

[jerry34208]

A SERT is something you can do one your own but no real reason to do it if you are not changing any engine components. Yes it is possible to get the bike to run a little bit better than it does right now but you're not likely to achieve that without a dyno machine and an exhaust sniffer. Also agree the power gains would not justify the expense.

If you're not changing parts I'd try the Nightrider wires. For about $100 you get a little richer afr that should lower running temps and posiibly give a little bump in power.

[boja53]

Thanks, Boomshaw and jerry34208 for your fast reaction! Just in time (saves me money!) I changed my pipes; made bigger holes in the (original) pipes I had left from my Streetbob and installed on the Springer (classic). And I still have a Kuryakin Twin velocity air cleaner I can install. Super tuner will fit in this configuration don't you think?

[killerbob]

Jan - I have the supertuner on my bike. As others have said the canned maps that comes with the the tuner starts with Screming Eagle Race tuner and free(er) flowing mufflers. If you have that or plan to do it I would go for it at install ther super tuner or the old race tuner. The gain is CONTROL. You will likely find that the appropiate canned map for your engine runs fine. You have a 07 - which means that you hve narrow band O2 sensors in your exaust. You will see that HD in a big area of the appropiate map runs 14,6 AFR ... At JUST that AFR the O2 sensors are active making sure you are actually getting something very close to 14.6 even if the actual VE of your engine differs sligthly

Alternative is a "download" from the dealer - allthough it is cheaper it is allso lost money if you in the future have plans for more engine modifications. Above all you don't know what you get

With the race tuner (with or without SUPER) you can see directly in the map. True- if you want your spcific map to be spot on in VE you have no alternative but to get it proper tuned. But if your engine just has A/C and free flowing mufflers - you'll be happy with the canned maps... And if you with the canned map have issues - you can adjust ..

What I have done: New bike 103 cu-in Stage 2 kit installed by dealer + SE mufflers.. Found the right map and assume the VE is pretty close. I have lowered all AFR 14.6 cells to 14.0. the result is that the engine in those areas runs a litthe richer than intended (by emmision control) Further more I have lowered AFR to 13.0 in the Idle region - That alone takes a lot of heat away - and it seems like I can stay in traffic jams forever..

Now the bike has 4500 km on the clock - and I MAY get it tuned.... Or at least I planned to - but I'm actually happy the way it runs ...Strong power - no "issues", no popping - nothing to complain about - so why mess with something that works

Further more I have lowered the cold idle a bit and lowered the temperature where the engine goes to normal idle

As you can see - you get CONTROL ... .... No need letting the dealer do it - it is straight forward

[boja53]

Thanks Killerbob. I wil order the supertuner from the States. I think I will need the cable set and dvd 's too. Is it also possible to control, leave it open, the ###valve which is built in our (European) bikes to silence the exhaust and the valve in the air cleaner?

[killerbob]

Jan ... Sorry it took a while for me to reply

WELL .... Yes and no or. kind'a ...

WHEN the map you choose says "HDI models" or "All Markets" - THEN you'll have the option to enable or disable "Active Exhaust Control"

BUT - this is not without problems right now.:

1: Right now you will not find MAPs for a lot of "commom" configurations. My bike is 103cu-in stage 2 (with SE255 cams) .. I can find a Map for 1690 HDI (stock Cam) but not HDI 1690 + 255 CAM... To overcome this I have copied all the tables from a US 1690 stage2 Map to the HDI 1690 stock cam Map. This is as I see it the only way untill HD supplies more maps.. In the US maps the "Active Exhaust Control"- Tab is simply removed so you wil HAVE to use a HDI or "all markets" map as starting-point

2: WORSE: "Disabled" means CLOSED !!!! "Enabled" means - that it is opening and closing as in stock configuration..... SO as I see it we'll have to wait and hope for a future update so we can "Disable - Open", "Disable - Closed" and "Enable" in the map

This is my findings - really hoping I am mistaking and that there is a workaround... Help from others are really appreciated

[ViennaHog]

KB is correct for the 2008 models. 2007 models with the SuperTuner still leave the exup valve open when disabled. Must have something to to with the internals of the ECM.
With the latest 202 boot loader update I tried a US calibration and it controls the exup valve like stock. I always leave it in active mode, less trouble with the cops around here.

There is always the option to disable the exup valve and secure the lever in the 'open' position with a stainless steel wire. No big deal and cheap........

[boja53]

Well, I've ordered the tuner and hope to get it in a few weeks. See if I can get the heat down. Anyway I will get the valve open; Software or Steelware (as you suggested Viennahog). Cops aren't to difficult over here. On my evo life seemed easier, or maybe I didn't give it much thought; just installed half open pipes, did nothing to the carberator and just ride. Gas to lean or engine to hot? I didn't know. Knowing (reading) is worrying . My "jekill & hyde" pipes were equiped with a valve. This was great; in town/near cops, a push on the button and the pipes were quiet (valve closed). Another push and the valve was open; nice sound. No worries with the evo. My dealer did'nt allow (warranty/software problems) me to put the pipes on the twin cams. Anyway, when I go to work with the tuner I will share the problems.....

[jgbo1]

Does anyone know where to get the SERT software on the web or does it have to be purchased through a dealer?

[bisounours]

Originally Posted by jgbo1

Does anyone know where to get the SERT software on the web or does it have to be purchased through a dealer?

Look this link :
http://www.adrive.com/public/72052cf...73681bd50.html

I hope it's run always !

[killerbob]

Just talked to the dealer - they have found out that the SuperTuner (or 2008 EFI) leaves the Active Exhaust Control in the state it is in when you disable it... So aparantly the trick is to enable the AEC and check that the valve is open - THEN you disable ad uplad the map .. Will test on my bike shortly

[jgbo1]

Thanks bisounours...I appreciate the fast reply...ride safe and hard.

[killerbob]

It worked !! I uploaded at map with disabled Active Exhaust Control after checking that the valve was open ... Voila - the valve havn't moved since

Now only one problem left .... I find my mufflers too loud now ... Well Well (MORE) money will solve that