Vance & Hines Fuelpak Talk.

[Jeffytune]

Originally Posted by Danocanada

Jeffytune if you missed this please read and help if possible..thanks!

Hi,

I don't know if I am a master, but I will try to help out.
If it is loosing the program, then there maybe and issue with the battery or the prom.

If I remember right, you can send that version 11 to Vance and Hines for an Upgrade to version 12 for like 30 bucks.
But I would call them and ask, it may need to be repaired as well.

[DAKSY]

Originally Posted by Jeffytune

Well.....it's kinda easy.
1) Take the cover off the fuelpak.
2) Turn the key on, then the run/stop switch to "run".
3) You will be at cell 1, push the top button untill you get to cell 19, then you open and close the throttle like I said before.
4) Push the top button until you read cell 21, then open and close the throttle again to read the number change from 00 to 99 and back to 00.
5) Turn the run/stop switch to "stop" and then turn the bike off and put the cover back on.

Then go for a ride to see how it runs.

OK...NOW I get it...I'll give it shot tomorrow nite when I get home from work.

Told ya I was a dummy!

[Danocanada]

Well after spending hours reading all these posts and trying to figure my own issues out I must reiterate that it is all in the technique when calibrating in mode 19. JeffyTune has repeatedly stated and I will concur now that the calibration is critical and a smooth twist forward and back seems to be the key. Thanks Jeffy and all others for making this forum a success. If things don't work right the first time try try again...

[Ultra RB]

Originally Posted by FLazyBoy

Hey Jeffy,

I have a 2008 Touring (Ultra Classic) and installed my Fuelpak yesterday. I'm running the V&H Oval slip ons and the SE air cleaner. According to the V&H site, my program should be FP-1717. My software version is 13.

I love the sound of the new slip ons (my bike doesn't sound like a huge sewing machine now), but I do notice some popping when coasting. Also I can see some bluing of the front pipe between the heat shields around the rider floorboards (but it could be that I never noticed it before).

Anyhow, I was reading about this mysterious Mode 19 throttle recal. I didn't see anything in the instructions about it. My bike has the fly-by-wire throttle -- just wondering if this would help.

Thanks,
FLazyBoy/dagsportster

Hi ... you can read my other posts but I have the same setup and the same popping problem. Everyone I have run across with an '08 or '07 and Ovals has the same issue ... popping. I have gone back and forth with V&H many times, tweaked this and that, made sure I have no exhaust leaks (even siliconed the slip-on joints) ... it has improved somewhat but the bottom line is it is still there ... and V&H seems to be ignoring my emails now ... so I guess they are admitting they just can't get their own products to work together.

For now I'm just living with it but do find it annoying. At this point I'm taking time to listen to other pipes and when I find some I like will be jetesoning the Ovals ... unfortunately because I like thier sound ... but that pop, pop, pop makes a $25,000 bike sound like a piece of crap ...

R

[wilmoo13]

Just got onto forum and have not read everything BUT I'm on the way to the Harley dealer that recommended the Fuelpak. '04 Heritage Softail with Sampson Big Guns 2 exhaust. Running hot (lean) and tons of popping. Eliminated popping and may not be running as lean BUT has intermittent power loss, like a cough or hesitation. Called V&H numerous times and they have done the try this, try that approach. They have no set solution for my exhaust, just flying by the seat of their pants. There is no way that I will ever get an optimum solution since the test mechanism is for me to try it and see if it works. How should I know what it is supposed to be like at optimum?

[kwb377]

Originally Posted by Danocanada

Well after spending hours ready all these posts and trying to figure my own issues out I must reiterate that it is all in the technique when calibrating in mode 19. JeffyTune has repeatedly stated and I will concur now that the calibration is critical and a smooth twist forward and back seems to be the key. Thanks Jeffy and all others for making this forum a success. If things don't work right the first time try try again...

Same here, I went back and redid cell 19 last night...even though I thought I was careful and smooth on the throttle the first time I calibrated it, redoing it pretty much eliminated the coughing/spitting I was having on mine.

[Jeffytune]

Originally Posted by wilmoo13

Just got onto forum and have not read everything BUT I'm on the way to the Harley dealer that recommended the Fuelpak. '04 Heritage Softail with Sampson Big Guns 2 exhaust. Running hot (lean) and tons of popping. Eliminated popping and may not be running as lean BUT has intermittent power loss, like a cough or hesitation. Called V&H numerous times and they have done the try this, try that approach. They have no set solution for my exhaust, just flying by the seat of their pants. There is no way that I will ever get an optimum solution since the test mechanism is for me to try it and see if it works. How should I know what it is supposed to be like at optimum?

Hi.

I understand your frustration, but trying to diagnose anything over a phone or e-mail is very difficult to say the least, intermittents are the hardest, even when you have the bike there to test.

Ok, lets start with the basics, check the bikes ECU for codes, check cell 22 for any numbers it may have, check for exhaust leaks and Intake leaks, and finally, make sure it has the best fuel you can find, and these days, fuel quality is in the toilet.

If all this checks out, then I would get a standard two run dyno run done on the bike, and send the results to Vance and Hines for analysis.
Then they can see what the bike is doing.

[wilmoo13]

Went to the local Harley shop. The settings from V&H were for the wrong pipes and stock ECM settings. The tech selected a better pipe match with stage 1 settings. Re-programmed and calibrated slowly. Now runs MUCH better. I will never know if it is optimum. I know that it is impossible to test and publish every possible combination but looks like V&H would state that fact before sales. I specifically asked prior to purchase and they gave me the settings.

[Jeffytune]

Originally Posted by wilmoo13

Went to the local Harley shop. The settings from V&H were for the wrong pipes and stock ECM settings. The tech selected a better pipe match with stage 1 settings. Re-programmed and calibrated slowly. Now runs MUCH better. I will never know if it is optimum. I know that it is impossible to test and publish every possible combination but looks like V&H would state that fact before sales. I specifically asked prior to purchase and they gave me the settings.

I went and checked the fuelpak site for your combination, and they do not have a listing for Samson big guns 2 for your bike.

If you now have a program that runs good, but are still wondering if it's right, have your shop do a dyno run on it and send that to Vance and Hines, they can anylizes is and make corrections if needed.

[xandvphyle]

just got back home after a whirlwind trip of 3k. (6 days) Temps were HOT. I have had th FP on about 5k miles now and it has been just super. Low of 45 mpg at slab speeds and hi of 50 mpg at 50-60 mph. Doesn't seem to make any difference if mid or hi grade is used. I am a little suspicious of the ethanol addition. No popping or hesitation at all and just as smoooooth as silk!!! and plenty of passing power. Sound is perfect for my tastes in that I can go into a national wildlife area and see some of the animals and they aren't in full escape mode!! My only concern is the heat. I emailed V&H and they got back and simply said that 230 on the big twins was not uncommon. V&H has been very good about getting back to me so that is my experience.....Thanks JT and others for your patience and help.

[wilmoo13]

Well, after 6 weeks of trying changes and making phone calls, I finally gave up. Actually, V&H said that they just could not come up with a map for my exhaust that would work and suggested that I just return it to the company that I bought it from 6 week ago. Good luck on that. Looks like I just spent $200+ for a lesson in making sure it would work before purchasing. Gave them a good chance, 6 weeks effort and over 1500 miles on the bike.

[Jeffytune]

Well, if the manufacture told you to return it, I think they would have a hard time not taking it back.
Sorry we could not get iot to work to your expectations, I would suggest you look into a Harley SERT and have it dyno'd in.

[Ultra RB]

Originally Posted by Jeffytune

Well, if the manufacture told you to return it, I think they would have a hard time not taking it back.
Sorry we could not get iot to work to your expectations, I would suggest you look into a Harley SERT and have it dyno'd in.

I have the same issue as Wilmoo13 ... popping ... the V&H guys have just quit answering my emails ... they did give it a good try, changed many settings but obviously they just don't have this combo figured out yet. I asked about returning it, they told me to go back to the dealer that I bought it from, they wouldn't take it back directly.

RB

[ftlee20723]

I also have "popping" on decel.

2008 Street Glide, Python Tru-Duals, Python Slip-Ons, AN Big Sucker, and V&H FuelPak.

I wish someone could figure out how to fix the problem with the 08 bikes.

Frank

[Ultra RB]

Originally Posted by ftlee20723

I also have "popping" on decel.

2008 Street Glide, Python Tru-Duals, Python Slip-Ons, AN Big Sucker, and V&H FuelPak.

I wish someone could figure out how to fix the problem with the 08 bikes.

Frank

Perhaps if everyone emailed V&H they would come up with a solution ...

tech@vanceandhines.com

Yes, a solution would be nice ...

RB