Vance & Hines Fuelpak Talk.

[ceraaa42]

Originally Posted by hellboundpig

can you run aftermarket pipes and aircleaner with stock ecu settings was running with the
fuelpack removed today bike ran great no decell pop ran cool .2007 softail standard vance and hines bishot staggereds k&n aircleaner .

Are you asking if you can run aftermarket pipes and air filter without the engine being richened either by a download or another method (fuelpak, SERT, PCIII)?

If so, the answer is NO! Some have gotten away with exhaust, some have not and had them turn yellow (myself among others). Using the air filter will likely will take it to the point of engine damage, don't even think about it. It may run well, but it's extremely lean without a doubt. They are lean when the come out of the factory before mods.

Chris

[Dyna_Willie]

Originally Posted by ceraaa42

Are you asking if you can run aftermarket pipes and air filter without the engine being richened either by a download or another method (fuelpak, SERT, PCIII)?

If so, the answer is NO! Some have gotten away with exhaust, some have not and had them turn yellow (myself among others). Using the air filter will likely will take it to the point of engine damage, don't even think about it. It may run well, but it's extremely lean without a doubt. They are lean when the come out of the factory before mods.

Chris

Chris, A true advatage of having an older Harley. I'm running V&H big radius slash cuts, and a huge billet snorkle air filter. Rejetting was essential, I still feel she is right on the edge of running rich.

[alanmcgregor]

Originally Posted by Jeffytune

Alan.
It is just the way it is design to work, really it's not a issue.
Give it a bit of riding time, and you won't even notice it.
The fuelpak shunts the injectors on decel.

Thank you Jeffytune.

Actually, I'm starting to notice it less already - one of the advantages of riding daily! - that and the road grime.

Also Jaybo - thanks for the numbers. I might just leave it for now - it sounds like this is a design feature and such won't do the engine any harm.

[alanmcgregor]

Originally Posted by Striker

Thanks for the reply Jeffytune,
I've done it this morning, looking at the video again the space was not free below the ECU on my bike, a 3"x2" box of tricks (maybe the alarm) was in the way so I moved this and I got it fitted.

I've taken off the servo for the exhaust flap and removed the cable. I have also tack welded the flat open.
I used ref FP-2075
I'm running a HyperCharger, Rush Slip On's.

Thanks again,

Striker (Andy)

Hey Striker

I have an 07 Street Bob - it took me many hours as well, and I'm still not sure I'mm 100% happy with the wiring routing etc. One thing t watch out for is that you don't trap the loom when tightening up the caddy. I' did first time round.

Also I Had the Alarm unit under the ECU and ended up taking out completly ater not being able to find a suitable relocation point.

Did you attach to the ECU / Fuelpak connectors to anything or just left them 'floating' in the space under the ECU? Thats what I did. I used the velcro supplied to secure the fuelpack unit under the seat area.

Whats the chances of this, but I used to have a Sylva Striker too. Originally with a 1700 Ford crossflow then a 3.9 Rover V8 with an Atlas axle. Used to circuit race & do sprints and hillclimbs. Loved it, but not financially sustainable with kids and mortgage and all. Before the Sylva, I raced a Dutton Phaeton - the original poor mans road sports car that the British Kit Car industry used to be so good at putting out there. It was twin Webbers on the X Flow and big Holly double pumper on the V8. Not a Fuelpak in sight. Happy days!

Off topic I know but good luck with the Fueklpak and if you are anything like me, the transition from cars to bikes is painless and makes so much sense. Enjoy the Bob

ALan

[FatBoy912]

I have a brand new still in the box SE Stage 1 intake kit for the 2001 and up Softail's for sale if anyone is interested. The part number is 29773-02C. Won't fit '02-'07 Touring or '04-'07 EFI Dyna's. Decided to go a different route if anyone is interested in it I'll sell it for $120.

[FirNaTineNJ]

Just finished the test ride after installing V&H Dresser Duals, V&H Slash-cut slip-ons & the Fuelpak... Let me just tell tell you, awesome sound, very noticeable improvement in power & throttle response... This setup replaced SE Touring Perf slip-ons, I left the SE Stage 1 intake kit with a K&N in it for now... The install was easy considering I'd never worked on a Harley before... Took about 5 hours total... My only complaint is those cheap little screws that come with the Fuelpak, stripped two of them out almost right away using the #1 phillips per the install instructions.. Other than that, I'm very happy so far...

Later all,

C

[ceraaa42]

Originally Posted by FirNaTineNJ

My only complaint is those cheap little screws that come with the Fuelpak, stripped two of them out almost right away using the #1 phillips per the install instructions.. Other than that, I'm very happy so far...

Later all,

C

I just took a hacksaw and cut half the screw thread off and they went right in. Why the put those long screws in there, who knows.

Chris

[Jeffytune]

Originally Posted by FirNaTineNJ

Just finished the test ride after installing V&H Dresser Duals, V&H Slash-cut slip-ons & the Fuelpak... Let me just tell tell you, awesome sound, very noticeable improvement in power & throttle response... This setup replaced SE Touring Perf slip-ons, I left the SE Stage 1 intake kit with a K&N in it for now... The install was easy considering I'd never worked on a Harley before... Took about 5 hours total... My only complaint is those cheap little screws that come with the Fuelpak, stripped two of them out almost right away using the #1 phillips per the install instructions.. Other than that, I'm very happy so far...

Later all,

C

Yes it has been a the one soar spot with the fuelpak. I have said many times here, trip a 1/4 of and inch off the tip of those screws, and all will go far smoother.

[alanmcgregor]

Took in a couple of hundred miles today with varied riding - 80mph cruise, 40-60 pushing hard through the twisties and back to 30mph through the towns an villiages. Seemless.

No heat at the lights, full on when you need it, and no hunting at 30. Firmly in 3rd gear and sitting happy with it (stock bike used to hate 30 in 3rd).

So for anyone thinking about FP and IEDS - It works a treat!

07 Bob, HS Stratight shots (quiet baffles), SE AC, standard IEDs (14.2:1).

Starting to find the short comings of the chassis on the fast bumpy bends though. Like a jelly trifle if pushed! But hey, it never pretended to be a sports bike! Time to back off a bit.

Alan

[Hognatius]

Hi There,
A Big Thanks to all the posters on this thread, You have been a great help to me a "complete newbee" in understanding the weird and wonderful world of making a HD sound as good as it looks It was like reading a good book, following the storlylines of ppl adding fuel packs or high flow ait filters re -mapping ...getting rid of the popping debating on whats best PCIII of V+H fuelpak...it enspired me enough to get out the tool box and start

I fitted a set of V+H Oval slip ons and boy what a difference.. now she sounds as good as it looks. I hear the popping noise on changing gears but its not so bad... one strange thing the muffler and bracket on the left hand side seems to have slid back about an inch or so over a run of 20 miles last night although it was as tight as the one on the right and it didnt move, so i tightened it again and after a few miles it had slid back about 3/8 inch... anyhow next I am gonna fit a fuelpak and the a new high flow air filter. My wife is delighted with my new found hobby she rekons she will never have a problem picking birthday or christmas presents for me again

[FirNaTineNJ]

Hey there Hognatius,

Congrats on the new pipes... It sounds like you may not have tightened the clamp at the front of the slip-on all the way, if it's sliding back like that. The rear bracket just supports the muffler, but can slide fore & aft in it's mount. I'd check that front clamp... Definitely do the Fuelpak & a high-flow air cleaner too, it adds quite a punch... Oh and great quote in your sig...

Ride safe,

Chris

P.s. Thanks guys for the replies about the screws, I have to go try to find a couple of replacements at the local auto parts store, just to make sure everything stays secure...

[ceraaa42]

FirNaTineNJ

Make sure the front edge of the clamp is even with the leading edge of the muffler. That way it will sit over the splits in the pipe and squeeze them around the pipe. If it's too far back it's around the pipe that is whole (without the splits) and it can't squeeze a pipe that tight.

Don't ask me how I know this though.

Chris

[Jeffytune]

Hi.

I have found that if you take some 120 girt sandpaper and wrap the paper around the head pipe, and twists is to sand around the pipe or put some groves for the muffler to hold on to.
Then do make sure you have the clamp all the way to the end of the muffler and clamp it down.

[FirNaTineNJ]

Originally Posted by ceraaa42

FirNaTineNJ

Make sure the front edge of the clamp is even with the leading edge of the muffler. That way it will sit over the splits in the pipe and squeeze them around the pipe. If it's too far back it's around the pipe that is whole (without the splits) and it can't squeeze a pipe that tight.

Don't ask me how I know this though.

Chris

Hey Chris,

Thanks for the response, but it was Hognatius with the slipping slip-on... I did the same thing too though, lol! I also forgot to tighten the bracket on the right side under the tranny & the rattling drove me nuts for the first 10 minutes of my test ride until I figured out what I had done...

Ride safe!

Chris

[Hognatius]

Hey FirNaTineNJ, Jeffytune & ceraaa42
Thanks for the help in the case of the slipping slip ons. I rang V+H in the UK today, they said they never heard of it happening before and perhaps I should use the stock clamp and the V+H clamp at the same time. The only thing I can think of is I used some easing oil (WD40) when removing the stock pipes, the right side stock muffler was a sob to remove but the left just came straight off, there may be still some traces of the oil on the pipes Iam sure that wouldent help. So off with the pipe again and clean everything, use the sandpaper and re tighten everything up.