Vance & Hines Fuelpak Talk.

[Jeffytune]

Hi Terry.

Thanks for the follow up, good to know they got her running right. Vance and Hines at this point does not release the tuning Info, they are trying to get CARB approval to install on emission controlled bikes here in the states.

I still believe at some point they will make a tuning disc available to shops for dynoing, but at this point, if you send them the run, they adjust it for you at no charge, and as we all know, free is a very good price.

As to lowering the Idle speed, it is not a good Idea to do so on a twin cam engine, too little oil flow will cause internal engine damage.

[orgtech]

Want to keep stock pipes and add a big sucker. Looks like they have a setting for the fuel pac to start with. FP-1914.

My primary focus is to reduce heat and increase performance is next.

Will the fuel pac meet my needs? Will it really cool things down without going to duals?

I like the simplicity and ability to do it my self and then check it on a dyno when it's broken in more.

Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks

[Kauai_Jim]

Originally Posted by orgtech

Want to keep stock pipes and add a big sucker. Looks like they have a setting for the fuel pac to start with. FP-1914.

I am currently doing that exact thing with my 08 ultra. It did drop the heat substantially and the performance was much better too. I have a set of Hooker tuned duals waiting for replacement heat shields that came damaged. When those arrive, I will install them and change the Fuelpak map to the one I got from V&H. It's a wonderful thing.

[madalaskan]

I have a 07 Ultra Classic which had stock pipe and V&H slip ons. Also I have a V&H Fuel Pack in it. Last fall on my road trip my right side muffler blued bad. I was told by a shop tech that it was caused by the stock pipes dumping almost everything into the right side and over heating that muffler. This winter I installed V&H's dresser duals in hopes of taking care of the problem. My problem is I am now told that my main problem originally was that the bike was probably running too lean. Can anyone tell me with the bike setup the way it is and the mapping set according to the V&H for the Fuel Pack will this take care of my blueing problem. I haven't frun it much because the snow isn't gone. So I guess I will have to get some road miles on it to see if the mapping is right. Any thoughts on this.

[Jeffytune]

Originally Posted by madalaskan

I have a 07 Ultra Classic which had stock pipe and V&H slip ons. Also I have a V&H Fuel Pack in it. Last fall on my road trip my right side muffler blued bad. I was told by a shop tech that it was caused by the stock pipes dumping almost everything into the right side and over heating that muffler. This winter I installed V&H's dresser duals in hopes of taking care of the problem. My problem is I am now told that my main problem originally was that the bike was probably running too lean. Can anyone tell me with the bike setup the way it is and the mapping set according to the V&H for the Fuel Pack will this take care of my blueing problem. I haven't frun it much because the snow isn't gone. So I guess I will have to get some road miles on it to see if the mapping is right. Any thoughts on this.

What air filter are you running?
What fuel program are you using?

[ceraaa42]

Originally Posted by madalaskan

I have a 07 Ultra Classic which had stock pipe and V&H slip ons. Also I have a V&H Fuel Pack in it. Last fall on my road trip my right side muffler blued bad. I was told by a shop tech that it was caused by the stock pipes dumping almost everything into the right side and over heating that muffler. This winter I installed V&H's dresser duals in hopes of taking care of the problem. My problem is I am now told that my main problem originally was that the bike was probably running too lean. Can anyone tell me with the bike setup the way it is and the mapping set according to the V&H for the Fuel Pack will this take care of my blueing problem. I haven't frun it much because the snow isn't gone. So I guess I will have to get some road miles on it to see if the mapping is right. Any thoughts on this.

I suspect it was lean.

First; I would discuss this with Vance & Hines or you may end up blueing your new pipes.

Second; If one is available, I feel the mixture should be checked on a dyno to make sure this does not happen to begin with all bikes. It's still a huge money savings over the other fuel adjustment methods.

Chris

[xlr841]

Originally Posted by Semp

Is it worth the $30 plus shipping to upgrade from ver 11 to ver 12?

Bike is 06 Ultra, V&H basic slipons, SE w/K&N filter, 25 degree injectors, stock ECM, stock motor

Thanks
Semp

I bought one from a guy for my 07 FB and its like night and day
rick

[xlr841]

Originally Posted by Jeffytune

Hi Rick.

Ok, start over at cell 1, walk through it until you get to cell 18, and try again.
Look to make sure the little bar between the cell number and the program number is not lit, as that would mean you are at -7, and you need to be (+)32.
The bar on means -, and it off means+.

If it still won't load, call V&H to return it to them for repair or replacement.

Sent the FP to V&H they upgraded all is fine

Thanks Jeffy
Rick

[madalaskan]

Referring to my earlier post Jeffytune I have a HD high flow air filter and have V&H 16737 pipes and 16721 Classic Slip Ons. I have my Fuel Pack set to FP-0561 fuel program. See anything wrong with this setup? I see there are slip on mufflers available that will gaurantee not to blue but I just want to make sure I'm not setting my bike up to run too lean. I may be a little stupid here but I thought the idea of the Fuel Pack was to keep a person out of the dealer having to dyno your bike when one makes these changes. Is the Fuel Pack one of the "if it sounds too good to be true it probably is " things. Am I going to have to take my bike into the dealer and have it timed and dyno tested or can I run with the mapping I set without doing any type of damage from being to lean or the bike being missed timed or something. I don't have the greatest knowledge on this subject but causing any type of damage that is going to cost me more $ to repair is what I'm trying to avoid. I appreciate the input and help!!

[Jeffytune]

Originally Posted by madalaskan

Referring to my earlier post Jeffytune I have a HD high flow air filter and have V&H 16737 pipes and 16721 Classic Slip Ons. I have my Fuel Pack set to FP-0561 fuel program. See anything wrong with this setup? I see there are slip on mufflers available that will gaurantee not to blue but I just want to make sure I'm not setting my bike up to run too lean. I may be a little stupid here but I thought the idea of the Fuel Pack was to keep a person out of the dealer having to dyno your bike when one makes these changes. Is the Fuel Pack one of the "if it sounds too good to be true it probably is " things. Am I going to have to take my bike into the dealer and have it timed and dyno tested or can I run with the mapping I set without doing any type of damage from being to lean or the bike being missed timed or something. I don't have the greatest knowledge on this subject but causing any type of damage that is going to cost me more $ to repair is what I'm trying to avoid. I appreciate the input and help!!

Hi.

I ran through the Vance and Hines fuelpak program finder, and I came up with two different programs, depending on which baffle you have in it.

I would call Vance and Hines and ask them which is the right program to use, but I think you have the wrong one right now.

[madalaskan]

According to what I got from V&H's with standard baffles which I have I am running the correct program. I guess when the roads allow here I will find out although I'm having second thoughts about the Fuel Pack now and am considering taking it out having the bike dyno tested and set at the dealers and be done with it. I don't anticipate any other changes so get it set and dyno tested I know it's right and be done with it once and for all.

[Jeffytune]

Hi.

If V&H said it is the right one, then I would be concerned about a vacuum leak or other reason the system is running lean.

A standard two dyno run should show if fuel curve is out.

[Jaybo]

Originally Posted by madalaskan

Is the Fuel Pack one of the "if it sounds too good to be true it probably is " things.

I bought my 2008 Road King back in September of 2007. I installed ovals with true duals, high flow air kit and, of course, the fuel pack at around 700 miles. I am now at around 2500 miles. The scoot has performed flawlessly. I hate to say that it is "luck of the draw" cause I am a true believer of this system. The most important thing, however, is to ensure that the system is installed properly.

Yes...anyone can install it, but it takes an extra step to ensure that there aren't any intake and/or exhaust leaks. This can adversly affect your results. If you don't feel the least cofident installing it yourself, take it to your local dealer to have them install it for you. Therefore, if it is not installed properly, it is on them.

[madalaskan]

Originally Posted by Jaybo

I bought my 2008 Road King back in September of 2007. I installed ovals with true duals, high flow air kit and, of course, the fuel pack at around 700 miles. I am now at around 2500 miles. The scoot has performed flawlessly. I hate to say that it is "luck of the draw" cause I am a true believer of this system. The most important thing, however, is to ensure that the system is installed properly.

Yes...anyone can install it, but it takes an extra step to ensure that there aren't any intake and/or exhaust leaks. This can adversly affect your results. If you don't feel the least cofident installing it yourself, take it to your local dealer to have them install it for you. Therefore, if it is not installed properly, it is on them.

My only complaint was that my right side muffler blued. The bike ran great I put 4500 miles on it on a road trip in and out of the west coast mountains and it run flawlessly just as yours. I was told by a tech that the muffler blued because of the stock exhaust dumping both cylinders primarily into the right side. I added the true duals this winter in hopes of curing that problem but then I start hearing from several people my problem wasn't the stock exhaust it was because it was running too lean. I am just trying to make sure I am covering all my bases that is why I am asking questions. I'm getting close to being able to start to ride so when I get it out of the garage and put some miles on it I will be able to tell a little better if it is running well. By the way Jaybo can I ask what program is your fuel pack set to. Thanks!

[Jaybo]

Originally Posted by madalaskan

By the way Jaybo can I ask what program is your fuel pack set to. Thanks!

No problem. My fuelpak is set to map 1719. This map is specific to the 08 touring models with ovals and true duals installed and may not be the same map for the 07 year. Please check the map charts for your model year. By the looks of your original post it is different.

When my bike was stock I did not notice any blueing on the right side, however, I did notice that it felt extremely hot on the right side. This is also because the 08 models run hotter than earlier years. I haven't had any blueing problems with my true duals. I truely believe that the combination of not having the rear cylinder header right next to my right leg, and the fuelpak is helping my scoot run cooler than stock.

Derek, from V&H did tell me that map 1719 was one of the riches maps for the 08 models. NOW... THIS MAKES ME FEEL ALL WARM AND COZY INSIDE CAUSE A RICHER ENGINE IS A COOLER RUNNING ENGINE.

Good Luck, and keep us posted as to what you find out!!