Vance & Hines Fuelpak Talk.

[Jeffytune]

Aimoil is good stuff, I use Mobil 1 myself, in all the tests I have seen on the two, there is very little difference between the two, but I get the Mobil through my distributor at work for less then 7 bucks a quart.

As too warranty, Unless the non-stock part was the root cause of the failure, they still have to cover the stock part that failed.

E.I. If you replace the stock cam with a high lift Andrews or even a SE cam, and say a valve spring breaks. If the lift is too high for the stock spring to handle, that is not Harley's fault, and not covered.
If you Install a set of aftermarket spark plugs, and the tip of the plug breaks off into the cylinder and causes damage to the piston and cylinder, that is not Harley's fault, but the plug manufacture you would have a claim with.

On the other hand, if your Throttle Position sensor goes bad, and you have a Fuelpak on your bike, the fuelpak can not hurt that part, and Harley still needs to warranty that part.

One last thing, the extended warranty's Harley dealers sell are just Insurance policies, like the ones car dealers sell, there not Harley run, it is an aftermarket deal. And as long as you have your mods done before you buy the policy, I would think they would have no choice to cove it, as it is in the same state as when you bought the policy.
Just read through the policy before you buy it.

[xandvphyle]

You type pretty good for a lefty !!!!
good thoughts on the rest.

[Jeffytune]

Originally Posted by xandvphyle

You type pretty good for a lefty !!!!
good thoughts on the rest.

The Doc says i need to start using the right one too, as long as i keep it on the sling pad.
But it not like I have anything else to do right now, can't stand day-time TV.

[ncfurious]

First, Jeffy....I'd like to say you seem to be one helpful guy just from going throught this topic. I wish all forums had this.

Now, I just installed a Kuryakyn Pro Series hypercharger, v&H sideshots, and fuel pak on my XL1200C. It runs pretty good with the setting they gave me for my set up with exception to lower end take off area. Seems a bit sluggish. Now on V&H's site they just ask..."High Flow" on air cleaner. You think I should get with them....may be a difference with the Hypercharger versus the SE air cleaner? Just wondering. Also, can the idle be adjusted with the FuelPak? I sure would like a lower Idle. Thanks for any help in advance man.

If I missed an answer to this in previous posts, I'm sorry, I tried reading them all but ending up surfing after about page 8....lol.

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[Jeffytune]

Originally Posted by ncfurious

First, Jeffy....I'd like to say you seem to be one helpful guy just from going throught this topic. I wish all forums had this.

Now, I just installed a Kuryakyn Pro Series hypercharger, v&H sideshots, and fuel pak on my XL1200C. It runs pretty good with the setting they gave me for my set up with exception to lower end take off area. Seems a bit sluggish. Now on V&H's site they just ask..."High Flow" on air cleaner. You think I should get with them....may be a difference with the Hypercharger versus the SE air cleaner? Just wondering. Also, can the idle be adjusted with the FuelPak? I sure would like a lower Idle. Thanks for any help in advance man.

If I missed an answer to this in previous posts, I'm sorry, I tried reading them all but ending up surfing after about page 8....lol.

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Hi.
I am not a big fan of the hyperchargher, from the flow tests I have seen in the magazines, they are at the low end on the high flow air filters, What V&H has alluded to me is the one they use to test with is usually the SE air filter assembly. I know, you would think that scoop would help, but really, it hinders flow.
I would suggest the SE or K&N air cleaner assemblies.
Now, I have also seen this happen with sporties if you had the stage one download done, or is you pulled the baffles out, has either been done to your bike?

[Jeffytune]

Sorry, I did not answer all the questions the first time, so here's take two...

No, the fuel pack does nothing to change Idle speed, and it can not be adjusted manually, if you try to adjust the set screw for the throttle body, it will set a code in the computer(ECM).

The only way I believe you can change thew Idle speed it to use a SE race tuner, then you can re-right the program to do so.
Now, I have not herd this caution applied to Sportsters, But on the Twin cams, The Idle speed being too low can cause oil pressure issues that can lead to cam and tapped failures.

[hdrider1]

I have an '07 Road Glide with Stock 96" ECM --- I'm going to install 103" SE BB kit (w/SE255 Cam) w/.030" head gaskets. Bike already has Hi Flow AC and V&H True Duals w/V&H Slash Cut Slip-ons and Fuelpak installed.

I looked on V&H website for map and saw some 2007 103" maps that said "SE Flat top pistons 9.3:1" -- what's with that? -- the only CR listed in the Harley Catalog for 103" flat top pistons with stock Heads is 10:1. If I calculate CR for .030 Head Gasket, I'm at about 10.34:1.

So I contacted V&H and (after initially saying they didn't have a map for increased CR) they eventually recommended map FP-1118. However, this map indicated a Stage 1 1690 ECU burn -- when I said I had a Stock 96" ECU, they said they couldn't help and I should buy a Power Commander and have it Dyno Tuned.

I bought the FuelPak based on V&H claims of easy tuning with maps available for most modifications. It seems to me that a 103" BB kit for a 96" is a pretty standard modification -- they didn't indicate that you'd have to spend $200 extra at the dealer to get the Stage 1 1690 ECU burn before you can use the Fuelpak. Now I need to sell this piece of crap and get a Power Commander (which I should have done initially).

The Fuelpak has good advertising, but you really need to look behind the smoke & mirrors to decide what's a good long term purchase. The fact that they don't (and won't) tell you what each setting does makes it totally useless as a self tuning device.

[Jeffytune]

Originally Posted by hdrider1

I have an '07 Road Glide with Stock 96" ECM --- I'm going to install 103" SE BB kit (w/SE255 Cam) w/.030" head gaskets. Bike already has Hi Flow AC and V&H True Duals w/V&H Slash Cut Slip-ons and Fuelpak installed.

I looked on V&H website for map and saw some 2007 103" maps that said "SE Flat top pistons 9.3:1" -- what's with that? -- the only CR listed in the Harley Catalog for 103" flat top pistons with stock Heads is 10:1. If I calculate CR for .030 Head Gasket, I'm at about 10.34:1.

So I contacted V&H and (after initially saying they didn't have a map for increased CR) they eventually recommended map FP-1118. However, this map indicated a Stage 1 1690 ECU burn -- when I said I had a Stock 96" ECU, they said they couldn't help and I should buy a Power Commander and have it Dyno Tuned.

I bought the FuelPak based on V&H claims of easy tuning with maps available for most modifications. It seems to me that a 103" BB kit for a 96" is a pretty standard modification -- they didn't indicate that you'd have to spend $200 extra at the dealer to get the Stage 1 1690 ECU burn before you can use the Fuelpak. Now I need to sell this piece of crap and get a Power Commander (which I should have done initially).

The Fuelpak has good advertising, but you really need to look behind the smoke & mirrors to decide what's a good long term purchase. The fact that they don't (and won't) tell you what each setting does makes it totally useless as a self tuning device.

I am sorry you feel this way, but you are entitled to your opinion.
I have said many times in the thread, and Vance and Hines does say that If you plan to do HEAVY modifcations, that the FuelPack is not designed for this. The Fuelpak has no timing control, that is, it can not change the timing, and it can not change many things the fuel map will need to have adjusted for this Engine you plan on building, It needs to work off the stock (And or base) program to work.
When you go from a 96 to a 103, yes, there is a download the dealer installs when they do this Mod, and you want to increase compression to the point a change ion timing will need to be down.
Again, this unit it made for the guy that wants to do a stage one upgrad, of use a Harley engine kit, but it needs Harleys program to work with.
This is not smoke and mirrors, it is made for the majority of riders.

In your case, I would suggest getting the SERT, this will let a Tech dyno tune in your engine to get it's full potental.

But if you had ask here, called Vance and Hines or read the fuelpak box, you should have known that this Unit was not going to meet your needs.

It is a fine unit, but really, it does have it's limitations, and I think Vanc e and Hines has done there best to be upfront about them.

Good luck with your engine, and please post it up in the 96 engine forum, I am looking forward to seeing how it does for you.

[streetglide1]

Im new to the forum and I have read a lot of interesting question and answer to now im totally confused.I have a 06 streetglide stock Im going to put rh slipons and a big air sucker.ok harley said $650.00 to install and set up a powercommander.alot of money but seems I have to change the ecm for it to run right.Now i read that a v&hs unit will do the about the same? maybe for about $200.00 .Can somebody explain this to me ?thanks

[xandvphyle]

Originally Posted by streetglide1

Im new to the forum and I have read a lot of interesting question and answer to now im totally confused.I have a 06 streetglide stock Im going to put rh slipons and a big air sucker.ok harley said $650.00 to install and set up a powercommander.alot of money but seems I have to change the ecm for it to run right.Now i read that a v&hs unit will do the about the same? maybe for about $200.00 .Can somebody explain this to me ?thanks

I am not the one that can go into great detail about the workings but...you will need the free flow aircleaner set up and the pipes. What i did is to email V&H and tell them my set up. Engine and any mods. They have setting for many, many different set ups. They emailed me back with the values. I used the SE pipes. I did itmyself and it was a breeze. I am a fair cook book wrench, but the book has to be on the right page. I got the stage one down load but I am not sure that is nec. It's all reversable. Not a lot more power. Just smoother and it gave me a sense of being more at ease with my bike. I have a 2007 so it is different than what you have. I have no desire to speed up the bike, just to have it run cooler and kinder to the engine parts. I am sure Jeff will blink at this and give a reply. (left handed of course)

[Jeffytune]

Originally Posted by streetglide1

Im new to the forum and I have read a lot of interesting question and answer to now im totally confused.I have a 06 streetglide stock Im going to put rh slipons and a big air sucker.ok harley said $650.00 to install and set up a powercommander.alot of money but seems I have to change the ecm for it to run right.Now i read that a v&hs unit will do the about the same? maybe for about $200.00 .Can somebody explain this to me ?thanks

Hi.

The Fuelpak is a bit different then the other systems out there, In it's basic form, If all you plan is a stage one (Free flow Muffers and air filter) then this makes far more since bacause Vance and Hines does all the dynoing at there test center for a bike like yours, and then all you need to do, bolt it on, punch in the cell numbers, and then jump on and ride, your all done.
The other systems out there are made to cover stck to wild engine mods, and everything in between, so this means you need to dyno the bike to set the fuel curves and timing curves. 'For a stage one, this is really a waste of your money, as all it really needs is the fuel curve changed, and this is basicly what the fuelpak does, all withoput the need to spend 100's on a tech to dyno it in.

For what you want to do, it sounds like the fuelpak is just what you need, and what I would recommend.
But If you want to build a high output engine later on, you will need to get a SERT or some other system to build a fuel and timing curve for it.
But the nice thing about the fuelpak, if you plan this years off, you can use the fuelpak now, and then remove it, it does not change the program inside the computer, so it is like you still had a stock bike when you go to build your new program.

In other words, it is completely revresable.

No wires to cut of tap, just plug it in, enter the program, and your all ready to go.

[streetglide1]

Originally Posted by xandvphyle

I am not the one that can go into great detail about the workings but...you will need the free flow aircleaner set up and the pipes. What i did is to email V&H and tell them my set up. Engine and any mods. They have setting for many, many different set ups. They emailed me back with the values. I used the SE pipes. I did itmyself and it was a breeze. I am a fair cook book wrench, but the book has to be on the right page. I got the stage one down load but I am not sure that is nec. It's all reversable. Not a lot more power. Just smoother and it gave me a sense of being more at ease with my bike. I have a 2007 so it is different than what you have. I have no desire to speed up the bike, just to have it run cooler and kinder to the engine parts. I am sure Jeff will blink at this and give a reply. (left handed of course)

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I'm not looking for a speed demon bike just a nice sound and a good running bike you know that feeling you get when you here a hd coming down the road you just stop and watch and wait for it to go by.The fuel pac and powercommander is new to me just trying to understand it.





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[streetglide1]

Originally Posted by Jeffytune

Hi.

The Fuelpak is a bit different then the other systems out there, In it's basic form, If all you plan is a stage one (Free flow Muffers and air filter) then this makes far more since bacause Vance and Hines does all the dynoing at there test center for a bike like yours, and then all you need to do, bolt it on, punch in the cell numbers, and then jump on and ride, your all done.
The other systems out there are made to cover stck to wild engine mods, and everything in between, so this means you need to dyno the bike to set the fuel curves and timing curves. 'For a stage one, this is really a waste of your money, as all it really needs is the fuel curve changed, and this is basicly what the fuelpak does, all withoput the need to spend 100's on a tech to dyno it in.

For what you want to do, it sounds like the fuelpak is just what you need, and what I would recommend.
But If you want to build a high output engine later on, you will need to get a SERT or some other system to build a fuel and timing curve for it.
But the nice thing about the fuelpak, if you plan this years off, you can use the fuelpak now, and then remove it, it does not change the program inside the computer, so it is like you still had a stock bike when you go to build your new program.

In other words, it is completely revresable.

No wires to cut of tap, just plug it in, enter the program, and your all ready to go.

It sounds like the fuel pak is an electronic way of rejetting a carb motor.Thanks for the info I'll let you know how I make out.

[Jaybo]

Originally Posted by hdrider1

I bought the FuelPak based on V&H claims of easy tuning with maps available for most modifications. It seems to me that a 103" BB kit for a 96" is a pretty standard modification -- they didn't indicate that you'd have to spend $200 extra at the dealer to get the Stage 1 1690 ECU burn before you can use the Fuelpak. Now I need to sell this piece of crap and get a Power Commander (which I should have done initially).

The Fuelpak has good advertising, but you really need to look behind the smoke & mirrors to decide what's a good long term purchase. The fact that they don't (and won't) tell you what each setting does makes it totally useless as a self tuning device.

Sorry to hear you feel this way. You should have done your homework before you bought the unit. Information is available everywhere on the fuelpak's ideal usage and limitations. Now, even though I did not appreciate your slander and negative propaganda, I see how your post has added value to this listing. If people step foot in this thread looking for solutions and answer on what fuel managament system to use, they can clearly see what works well with the fuelpak and what does not. Thanks for posting!