Vance & Hines Fuelpak Talk.

[Jeffytune]

Originally Posted by JPBlueDragon

Finally getting around to ordering the Fuelpak from Eastern Performance then I started wondering if they are going to ship me v12 or v13. I sent them an e-mail asking what it would be. I'm a '07 Heritage Softail and I might not understand what the differences are or how the upgrade would work but I'm thinking I want the latest.

Really appreciate all the help and guidance you are providing Jeffytune. It's a very valuable contribution you are making.

Hi.

If I understand what V&H told me, the Version 12 is for pre-2008 bikes, and the Version 13 is for the "Throttle by wire" electric throttle.
There is no up-grade for the older versions to Version 13, as it is a hardware change internal to the unit for the electric throttle.

Yours should be the Version 12.

[JPBlueDragon]

Well, that makes it easy. I'll be fuelpaked by next weekend and posting results.

[Jeffytune]

Do remember to let us know how it runs for you.

[DCRANER]

Originally Posted by DCRANER

Hey Jeffytune, thanks so much for your knowledge & help. I'll button things up and get ready for a test ride.................WHEN THE DAMN SNOW STOPS!!!
Snow started about an hour ago.

O/K, finally a nice dry day, about 38 degrees, so now for the FuelPak report;

1. Starts just as easy as before.
2. Slighly more tone to idle, maybe a little higher rpm.
3. Bottom up more crisp than before.
4. Mid range much better, cruise is smoother.
5. Roll into it and it pulls much stronger.
6. Oil temp dip stick is about 10 degrees cooler than before after cruising around 50 - 60 mph.
7. One pop on decel, otherwise seems fine.
8. Buddy riding behind me said sounded much better.

So, only an hour ride but seems to have really made a nice difference.

[donk_316]

Funny... The Fuelpak is "inoperative" at idle... so any percieved starting / idling differences or issues are NOT related to the FP

Once you get used to it you can actually feel in the bike when the fuelpak "quits " and lets the stock ECM handle idle issues.

[Jaybo]

I just got my 1000 miles service done. Pulled the plugs to inspect and the front cylinder is burning perfect; dry and a golden tan color. The rear plug, however, because of the higher heat is running a lot leaner. The electrode looks a little on the frosty side. I'm currently using fuel map 1719 of version 13, which according to V&H is very rich. I am going to contact V&H and ask them if there is any way to richen the rear cylinder jet a bit.

I will let you all know what I find out.

[Jeffytune]

Originally Posted by DCRANER

O/K, finally a nice dry day, about 38 degrees, so now for the FuelPak report;

1. Starts just as easy as before.
2. Slighly more tone to idle, maybe a little higher rpm.
3. Bottom up more crisp than before.
4. Mid range much better, cruise is smoother.
5. Roll into it and it pulls much stronger.
6. Oil temp dip stick is about 10 degrees cooler than before after cruising around 50 - 60 mph.
7. One pop on decel, otherwise seems fine.
8. Buddy riding behind me said sounded much better.

So, only an hour ride but seems to have really made a nice difference.

Good to hear, sounds like you have it.

[Jeffytune]

Originally Posted by donk_316

Funny... The Fuelpak is "inoperative" at idle... so any percieved starting / idling differences or issues are NOT related to the FP

Once you get used to it you can actually feel in the bike when the fuelpak "quits " and lets the stock ECM handle idle issues.

Really? Were did you get this Info?
Can you expand on this, what version are you running and what model bike do you have it on.

[Jeffytune]

Originally Posted by Jaybo

I just got my 1000 miles service done. Pulled the plugs to inspect and the front cylinder is burning perfect; dry and a golden tan color. The rear plug, however, because of the higher heat is running a lot leaner. The electrode looks a little on the frosty side. I'm currently using fuel map 1719 of version 13, which according to V&H is very rich. I am going to contact V&H and ask them if there is any way to richen the rear cylinder jet a bit.

I will let you all know what I find out.

Do keep us informed on this please.
One thing, the factory does use separate maps for the front and rear cylinders, if the rear factory settings are too lean on the rear cylinder, you may have to have contact Vance and Hines for more info.

Also, you may want to check your intake seals, a leaking one can also give this result.

[Jaybo]

[quote=Jeffytune] you may have to have the stage one download first then use the program for it in the fuelpak.
QUOTE]

Jeff, did you get the stage one download done on you ride prior to installing the FP? Are your plugs pretty well balanced between the front and rear as a result?

[terry9]

Originally Posted by terry9

ged day jeffytune i am new to the site have been reading your threads maybe you can help me with some advice on how to reset the calibration on the throttle on my 2008 softail standard i blew when i set it up ended up on 59 at half throttle instead of 50 got no printed info when i bought fuelpak i am hoping to get the throttle right to get rid of popping on decellaration any info appreciated
Thanks Terry

Thanks for info jeffytune did the throttle re calibration still got the pop .Got the bike booked in for a dyno at alittle town 200 miles away closest one at present time will let you know how it goes .Ownly took 3 weeks 2 get the appointment.

Thanks Terry9

[Jeffytune]

Originally Posted by terry9

Thanks for info jeffytune did the throttle re calibration still got the pop .Got the bike booked in for a dyno at alittle town 200 miles away closest one at present time will let you know how it goes .Ownly took 3 weeks 2 get the appointment.

Thanks Terry9

Ok, In the mean time, try double checking the cells and see if this helps with the popping.
Also double check to make sure you do not have any exhaust leaks. this will let air into the system and can cause the popping.

[Jeffytune]

[quote=Jaybo]

Originally Posted by Jeffytune

you may have to have the stage one download first then use the program for it in the fuelpak.
QUOTE]

Jeff, did you get the stage one download done on you ride prior to installing the FP? Are your plugs pretty well balanced between the front and rear as a result?

No, the dealer did the "Torque smoothing download" before I got the bike.
I pulled my plugs at 100 miles, and then again at 5000, they are nice and white on the center, and even looking.

But every bike is a bit different, and since yours seemed off, it is possible the dealer did the stage one before you got the bike.
The only way you will know what version you have in the factory computer is to plug a scan tool into it.

I would still lean more to the vacuum leak at the Intake seal.

[Jaybo]

Originally Posted by Jaybo

I just got my 1000 miles service done. Pulled the plugs to inspect and the front cylinder is burning perfect; dry and a golden tan color. The rear plug, however, because of the higher heat is running a lot leaner. The electrode looks a little on the frosty side. I'm currently using fuel map 1719 of version 13, which according to V&H is very rich. I am going to contact V&H and ask them if there is any way to richen the rear cylinder jet a bit.

I will let you all know what I find out.

This is an update for all 08 touring owners. I contacted V&H tech support (Adam) today and mentioned to them the condition of my plugs exhibited during the 1000 miles survice. He mentioned that every 2008 touring model they currently have in their facility is experiencing the same results (rear cylinder burning leaner than the forward). This is a result of the temperature difference between the rear and front cylinder and according to V&H is perfectly normal. V&H claims that the fuelpak is delivering the fuel/air mixture ratio needed for proper operation and that fuelpak does not have the capability of changing fuel delivery to one cylinder versus the other.

I proceeded to call the dealer and they also claim that there are no downloads available which will change fuel delivery between both cylinders.

Bottom line is.....if your scoot is operating with no power surges, no flat spots, no overheating and producing good power you should be good to go. All this is assuming your equipment is properly installed and you are utilizing the correct map intended for your system.

I would expect the 2007's to be experiencing similar results since many of the engine mods on the 08's were initiated on the 07's.

[Jeffytune]

Originally Posted by Jaybo

This is an update for all 08 touring owners. I contacted V&H tech support (Adam) today and mentioned to them the condition of my plugs exhibited during the 1000 miles survice. He mentioned that every 2008 touring model they currently have in their facility is experiencing the same results (rear cylinder burning leaner than the forward). This is a result of the temperature difference between the rear and front cylinder and according to V&H is perfectly normal. V&H claims that the fuelpak is delivering the fuel/air mixture ratio needed for proper operation and that fuelpak does not have the capability of changing fuel delivery to one cylinder versus the other.

I proceeded to call the dealer and they also claim that there are no downloads available which will change fuel delivery between both cylinders.

Bottom line is.....if your scoot is operating with no power surges, no flat spots, no overheating and producing good power you should be good to go. All this is assuming your equipment is properly installed and you are utilizing the correct map intended for your system.

I would expect the 2007's to be experiencing similar results since many of the engine mods on the 08's were initiated on the 07's.

The 2007 and 2008's in the tour bike use a different computer, as the 2008 has an electric throttle.
I pulled my plugs at the 5K service, then looked Identical.
The dealer has my engine torn down for a base gasket leak. I did get to look at the pistons, there are equal in carbon.

For what it it worth.